Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

[jeepster]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

How about this - binmen - create their own company, they are all owner / employees. Run it like a business, where they get to keep any generated profit, pay themselves dividends (if they make a profit) - and then lets see how many strikes they vote in favour of.

What about water,rail ect do not make a profit who still pay the share holders.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

How about this - binmen - create their own company, they are all owner / employees. Run it like a business, where they get to keep any generated profit, pay themselves dividends (if they make a profit) - and then lets see how many strikes they vote in favour of.

No

This is how essential services should be organised

Provide local authorities with the funding to employ refuge workers on decent contracts with fair working conditions , pensions and pay

That absolutely will provide a far better service for the public than the Conservative way which you support of privatising absolutely anything that isn't nailed down

And abolishing it if it can't be privatised

Care , refuge , leisure centres

All utter disasters when put out to privatisation

Oh and buses and trains

You lot will never learn but you lot who vote Tory don't tend to use the buses or leisure centres

But with the bins you have no choice and when it goes tits up you blame the workers and not the stupid privatised system

Idiots

[JamesWales]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

No

This is how essential services should be organised

Provide local authorities with the funding to employ refuge workers on decent contracts with fair working conditions , pensions and pay

That absolutely will provide a far better service for the public than the Conservative way which you support of privatising absolutely anything that isn't nailed down

And abolishing it if it can't be privatised

Care , refuge , leisure centres

All utter disasters when put out to privatisation

Oh and buses and trains

You lot will never learn but you lot who vote Tory don't tend to use the buses or leisure centres

But with the bins you have no choice and when it goes tits up you blame the workers and not the stupid privatised system

Idiots

Cool sorry Sludge, but the people striking are public sector workers. They work for Cardiff Council.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

Cool sorry Sludge, but the people striking are public sector workers. They work for Cardiff Council.

The current binmen are not on what I said they should be

It's a private sector arrangement in all but name

[JamesWales]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

The current binmen are not on what I said they should be

It's a private sector arrangement in all but name

No it isn't. They are public sector workers working for a council that has been Labour run for a decade and funded by a Welsh Govt that has been Labour run for a quarter of a century.

You can't have your cake and eat it. If the UK govt are to blame for health strikes in England then the Welsh Govt and Council are here.

The reality is infinitely more complex of course but that would require not just blaming the UK govt at a national level so I doubt you'll go down that route

[RichardM]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

No it isn't. They are public sector workers working for a council that has been Labour run for a decade and funded by a Welsh Govt that has been Labour run for a quarter of a century.

You can't have your cake and eat it. If the UK govt are to blame for health strikes in England then the Welsh Govt and Council are here.

The reality is infinitely more complex of course but that would require not just blaming the UK govt at a national level so I doubt you'll go down that route

You are ignoring the fact that much of Welsh Government and local council funding is controlled (cut) by the Tory controlled UK government

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

No it isn't. They are public sector workers working for a council that has been Labour run for a decade and funded by a Welsh Govt that has been Labour run for a quarter of a century.

You can't have your cake and eat it. If the UK govt are to blame for health strikes in England then the Welsh Govt and Council are here.

The reality is infinitely more complex of course but that would require not just blaming the UK govt at a national level so I doubt you'll go down that route

Yes it is

[Doucas]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

No it isn't. They are public sector workers working for a council that has been Labour run for a decade and funded by a Welsh Govt that has been Labour run for a quarter of a century.

You can't have your cake and eat it. If the UK govt are to blame for health strikes in England then the Welsh Govt and Council are here.

The reality is infinitely more complex of course but that would require not just blaming the UK govt at a national level so I doubt you'll go down that route

Completely ignoring how the Welsh Government budget is decided by Westminster. Utter joke of a comment.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

You are ignoring the fact that much of Welsh Government and local council funding is controlled (cut) by the Tory controlled UK government

Councils have had to adopt these ridiculous business plans to justify any sort of spending

We know that the obscene level of wages for high end executives at councils comes from the tory model literally forced on local authorities where NORMAL employees struggle to fight for the scraps

The opportunity to turn this all around is never going to happen as the cost of reorganisation would be absolutely staggering

Refuge , Care Services , Swimming Pools

Poor service , poor wages but plenty of big bucks at the top

It's the tory way

[JamesWales]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

You are ignoring the fact that much of Welsh Government and local council funding is controlled (cut) by the Tory controlled UK government

Not entirely, although that's the excuse they use. They get a block grant and allocate as they see fit. They also have a range of tax raising powers to raise additional income if they wanted more. They also can't rely on ever increasing budgets because no government in the world can.

All strikes are pretty complex and I do think that waste collection should be under public control but the idea that guarantees a better service or no conflict just isn't true.

[JamesWales]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

Councils have had to adopt these ridiculous business plans to justify any sort of spending

We know that the obscene level of wages for high end executives at councils comes from the tory model literally forced on local authorities where NORMAL employees struggle to fight for the scraps

The opportunity to turn this all around is never going to happen as the cost of reorganisation would be absolutely staggering

Refuge , Care Services , Swimming Pools

Poor service , poor wages but plenty of big bucks at the top

It's the tory way

Again Sludge, what you are saying is just incorrect. The Welsh Govt and the council's themselves have control over this.

The UK govt has almost no say over the delivery of services in Wales. Its nearly all devolved powers.

Look to the senedd, not Westminster.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

Again Sludge, what you are saying is just incorrect. The Welsh Govt and the council's themselves have control over this.

The UK govt has almost no say over the delivery of services in Wales. Its nearly all devolved powers.

Look to the senedd, not Westminster.

I give you a 100 quid to build a wall

You require 300 quid to do a decent job

What sort of wall do you think I will get unless I provide you with more cash ?

You are the local council

I think the wall will fall down

[Cardiff Ultra]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

Completely ignoring how the Welsh Government budget is decided by Westminster. Utter joke of a comment.

Most people dont realise that the (enourmously increased) council tax covers barely 50% of local government spending. The rest is made up by grants from central government which have been cut by 40%. Why?

Because the Conservatives want to starve big city councils which are almost entirely run by Labour of cash. The dream scenario is what we are currently seeing in Birmingham, force the LA into bankruptcy, then force extremely highly paid technocrats onto the city who sell of everything that isnt nailed down, preferably to Tory donors.

[Cardiff Ultra]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

What about water,rail ect do not make a profit who still pay the share holders.

This^^^^. Every single person in this country is about to be faced with a whacking great increase in their water bills to pay for decades of under investment in our water system. And the kicker? The cost of renovation is almost exactly the same as the amount paid out in dividends since privatisation.

Decades of privatisation have left essential services that are natrual monopolies in the hands of cartels. Energy, Water, Rail etc. all in the hands of private companies that collude with each other to fix prices and drive up profits at rhe expense of consumers and workers. There is no competition.

According to the Wall Street Journal, America is about to face the first ever "full employment recession". That is to say that pay levels are now so low, that the country faces a recession even that almost everyone that can work, is working. How the **** anyone, regardless of where they sit on the political spectrum, can defend this shit is beyond me.

https://cals.ncsu.edu/news/you-decide-will-we-have-the-first-full-employment-recession/

[goats]

Re: Binmen strike for longer and the odd binwomen

Completely ignoring how the Welsh Government budget is decided by Westminster. Utter joke of a comment.

A government our esteemed leader holds contempt for every time the fool speaks almost, he might well have a point on some issues but you don’t bite the hand that feeds….