20mph online petition

[North Cardiff Blue]

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You’re answering yourself

Yes whats wrong with that I thought my joke about your back peddling was a good idea,as the roads are so slow?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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The petition is completely irrelevant. It's votes in the ballot box that count. Nothing is going to change unless there is some indication that a lot of Labour MSs will lose their seats at the next Senedd elections.

That is going to happen, there will be a political backlash, I'm not saying it will change the landscape because Wales will always vote labour in but some will lose seats and majorities will reduce, and maybe Plaid will be the man benefactor, they should definitely say they will change it back in their manifesto.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Lobby Plaid Cymru to stand up to the 20mph limit then. They're the only party that could affect Labour.

I hadn't read that but yes spot on, that could really hurt Labour, and it's what Dripy deserves.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Reverse gear? I’ve said on this thread that it doesn’t really bother me and that it’s quite amusing witnessing the antics of the ‘Mr Angrys’. I’ve said that I’ve got other more important things to get on with. The reverse gear that the Tory leader is using is certainly exceeding 20mph though, no surprise there though

It doesn't bother you yes and previously you've said the same, now you're saying they should change some back, so back peddling once you finally realise it's nonsense and you are virtually on your own backing Dripy's crackpot idea.

With an added bit of deflection then, we can all see through that

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I hope so but I think it's a daft policy and just gives the Tories a foot in the door

Rare I say this to you on anything remotely political but, correct Sludge, doesn't try and defend the indefensible, if it's labour being absolutely stupid for the sake of it call them out for it .

[JamesWales]

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It'll hit 300,000 today. Likely becoming something more than just about 20mph stuff now, a bit like the Ulez in London. A general pushback against WG politicians now it seems.

[The Bloop]

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Whilst I'm broadly in favour of the new limit, the process of implementation has been arse over tit. Rather than an imposition and a late amendment to allow councils to apply for exemptions, it could easily have been the reverse, which I think people would be much more accepting of.
If they given councils powers to install 20 limits in certain areas, subject to local consultation, there would be much more engagement and overall acceptance, whilst maintaining more 30 limits on more arterial routes.
They haven't though, which could be damaging to them at the ballot box.
Maybe though, it will encourage more people to read manifestos before choosing who to vote for.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Whilst I'm broadly in favour of the new limit, the process of implementation has been arse over tit. Rather than an imposition and a late amendment to allow councils to apply for exemptions, it could easily have been the reverse, which I think people would be much more accepting of.
If they given councils powers to install 20 limits in certain areas, subject to local consultation, there would be much more engagement and overall acceptance, whilst maintaining more 30 limits on more arterial routes.
They haven't though, which could be damaging to them at the ballot box.
Maybe though, it will encourage more people to read manifestos before choosing who to vote for.

Yes of course no one is against 20mph in small residential streets or outside schools, 20 is way too fast sometimes, but going down thornhill road it's pathetic and completely unnecessary. They deserve a massive backlash or where does it end, 20mph on motorways, you can't travel more than five miles again?

[Rjk]

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Yes of course no one is against 20mph in small residential streets or outside schools, 20 is way too fast sometimes, but going down thornhill road it's pathetic and completely unnecessary. They deserve a massive backlash or where does it end, 20mph on motorways, you can't travel more than five miles again?

nobody is proposing 20mph on motorways you mentalist

[Father Dougal]

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That is going to happen, there will be a political backlash, I'm not saying it will change the landscape because Wales will always vote labour in but some will lose seats and majorities will reduce, and maybe Plaid will be the man benefactor, they should definitely say they will change it back in their manifesto.

Policiticians can't win sometimes.

The 20mph was in the labour manifesto. Clearly.

Welsh Labour won. They proposed it in the senedd. It was debated. It was passed.

Politicians in actually doing what they said they would shocker.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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nobody is proposing 20mph on motorways you mentalist

But why not the argument is simply that fewer people die in accidents at 20mph.

It makes no sense to change road speeds for that reason, yet they've just done it?

If they get away with this it will be let's think of the next stupidest thing we can and implement it, we can do what we want.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Policiticians can't win sometimes.

The 20mph was in the labour manifesto. Clearly.

Welsh Labour won. They proposed it in the senedd. It was debated. It was passed.

Politicians in actually doing what they said they would shocker.

Labour voters didn't read the manifesto obviously, I've heard loads now saying they will never vote for them again because of this.

[Rjk]

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But why not the argument is simply that fewer people die in accidents at 20mph.

It makes no sense to change road speeds for that reason, yet they've just done it?

If they get away with this it will be let's think of the next stupidest thing we can and implement it, we can do what we want.

the road speeds theyve implemented give a lot of positives for very little negative impact.
journey times are hardly affected at all.
changing the motorways to 20mph would have a massive negative impact, other than through the Bryn glas tunnels where it is a slight improvement

[pipster]

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the road speeds theyve implemented give a lot of positives for very little negative impact.
journey times are hardly affected at all.
changing the motorways to 20mph would have a massive negative impact, other than through the Bryn glas tunnels where it is a slight improvement

What is the negative impact then in your opinion ?

[splott parker]

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It doesn't bother you yes and previously you've said the same, now you're saying they should change some back, so back peddling once you finally realise it's nonsense and you are virtually on your own backing Dripy's crackpot idea.

With an added bit of deflection then, we can all see through that

It doesn’t bother me and I’ve not supported it or reneged against it, perhaps you should read back through my posts. My amusement has been the way people like you have pompously reacted. Not once did I say it was nonsense, I said it should be reviewed and rejigged. But if it is you’ll get on your high horse over something else then. Your childish name calling of Drakeford and sycophantic love in with your ‘Boris’ is a bit cringeworthy