20mph online petition

[79blue]

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Welsh Labour Party Press Release

Sorry to burst your bubble but I have no affiliation with any political party. I am just a concerned citizen who has witnessed the country being wrecked by populist fools and charlatans over the last decade. We have ruled by people who are in it only for self enhancement. At least Drakeford has the balls to try to improve society, even if it makes him unpopular. Whether you like his politics or not, you should admit that he is brave.

[superfeathers]

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of course it makes sense you're just not thinking clearly.

in a flow of traffic at 30mph the gaps between cars will be greater than if they are travelling at 20mph. All the dithering idiots waiting at junctions to join the flow of traffic, the gaps between cars are now going to be smaller, meaning they are less likely to join the traffic in an expeditious manner. Instead they'll wait for longer waiting for a gap that they feel comfortable joining.

Sorry but this is just total nonsense. It's easier to get out in a 20 than a 30, people still need stopping distances and so on. Well, most people, who aren't looking to crash or run people over (so excluding a few in this thread).

I'm probably about a year ahead of a lot of people on here as all of the roads nearest to me changed to 20 some time ago. You get used to it after a week or so.

To sum this thread up, old people don't like change. I believe a straw poll of the demographic of this board was done fairly recently.

[nomad blue]

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It really isn't. Most of the country object to the imposition of 20mph where it isn't necessary. Its as simple as that. It's a bad policy decision.

The country voted for it. It was in both the Welsh Labour and Plaid Cymru manifestos.

[79blue]

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...and what sort of mushrooms have you been gathering lately?

Unfortunately I am not in a position to gather mushrooms as I am unable to walk due to Motor Neurone Disease.

A more considered reply would have been appreciated.

[Feedback]

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then why do they lower motorway speeds at times of high traffic volume to avoid this type of traffic jam?

It's an attempt to stem the flow of traffic arriving at the density wave, at a rate thats less than the traffic leaving the density wave. It doesn't work in practice because a density wave only collapses when the objects caught therein can escape. It has nothing to do with entry speed.

Traffic management seemingly know little of density wave theory.

[Feedback]

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Sorry but this is just total nonsense. It's easier to get out in a 20 than a 30, people still need stopping distances and so on. Well, most people, who aren't looking to crash or run people over (so excluding a few in this thread).

I'm probably about a year ahead of a lot of people on here as all of the roads nearest to me changed to 20 some time ago. You get used to it after a week or so.

To sum this thread up, old people don't like change. I believe a straw poll of the demographic of this board was done fairly recently.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it nonsense. And if I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

The point being is that cautious drivers are going to take longer to pull out because the gaps in traffic are smaller.

[superfeathers]

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Just because you don't like it doesn't make it nonsense. And if I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

The point being is that cautious drivers are going to take longer to pull out because the gaps in traffic are smaller.

It's not that I don't like it, it's that I don't see it to be true in practice. Having spent a year of driving around 20mph roads around me, with one being a main arterial road adjacent to where I live and have to pull onto daily, I haven't once had an issue where the difference in speed limit has affected the ability to pull out in any way other than positively.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Sorry to burst your bubble but I have no affiliation with any political party. I am just a concerned citizen who has witnessed the country being wrecked by populist fools and charlatans over the last decade. We have ruled by people who are in it only for self enhancement. At least Drakeford has the balls to try to improve society, even if it makes him unpopular. Whether you like his politics or not, you should admit that he is brave.

NHS, M4 Brynglas car park, Economy, traffic speed, cycle lanes, bus lanes, road blocks, road closures, schools, kids coming out of care free money, free prescriptions for billionaires, can't travel five miles, lockdown longer when the need has already passed, pay towards University fees, ban the English, triple council tax for 2nd homes in tourist areas, crackpot ideas that make Wales worse, that's not brave it's stupidity.

[Hilts]

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NHS, M4 Brynglas car park, Economy, traffic speed, cycle lanes, bus lanes, road blocks, road closures, schools, kids coming out of care free money, free prescriptions for billionaires, can't travel five miles, lockdown longer when the need has already passed, pay towards University fees, ban the English, triple council tax for 2nd homes in tourist areas, crackpot ideas that make Wales worse, that's not brave it's stupidity.

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[superfeathers]

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NHS, M4 Brynglas car park, Economy, traffic speed, cycle lanes, bus lanes, road blocks, road closures, schools, kids coming out of care free money, free prescriptions for billionaires, can't travel five miles, lockdown longer when the need has already passed, pay towards University fees, ban the English, triple council tax for 2nd homes in tourist areas, crackpot ideas that make Wales worse, that's not brave it's stupidity.

Right now I know it's a wind up. You're the first person I've ever come across who doesn't agree with having schools.

[Hilts]

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Right now I know it's a wind up. You're the first person I've ever come across who doesn't agree with having schools.

I have no idea how many people in Wales benefit from free prescriptions.

Probably in this cost of living crisis id say it helps many thousands.

Id love to know how much money a year is spent on Welsh billionaires prescriptions.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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It really isn't. Most of the country object to the imposition of 20mph where it isn't necessary. Its as simple as that. It's a bad policy decision.

293,311 signatures

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Right now I know it's a wind up. You're the first person I've ever come across who doesn't agree with having schools.

You're living proof of the state of them

[Maurice Swan]

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Unfortunately I am not in a position to gather mushrooms as I am unable to walk due to Motor Neurone Disease.

A more considered reply would have been appreciated.

I am not going to offer platitudes, however much I sympathise with your condition....you by definition have no idea how ludicrous it is to drive at 20mph.....with the probable exception of schools.


293,311 signatures to date apparently....it's not brave, it's ludicrous and stupid.

[Trigger]

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A lot of the time on my route around Cardiff above 20 was a treat anyway.

What I most dislike is the mess they made of the roll out. It's like they chose which roads to keep 30 based on throwing darts at a map.

That or they still haven't taken down most of the 30 signs.

Shambles.