40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

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If you call being hunted down and martyred for their faith 'gaining from it' then you have a point, not.

And you havn't addressed why those that choose for their lives to be Christ-less then constantly use his Name all the time in their normal dialogue to the exclusion of all other religious individuals?

Priests have made a pretty good living on the back of something that has no evidence of existence

Free lodging , food and few quid all funded by desperate people hoping for the afterlife

And in the middle east its the same

The aim of Israel is to get as many Jewish people from wherever into what they think is a holy place given to them by God

The problem is they have taken land from Palestinians that think that God gave them the land

It's a simple problem which could be solved by compromise

These are religious people ......your kind of people ...but they are unable to compromise because they believe in stupid fairy tales and they KNOW they are right

God and the interpretation of his myth in religious books is the problem

Liberal Jewish , Arabic and Christian people have lived as neighbours all over the Middle East for hundreds of years

But the our way is the only way nonsense is now firmly entrenched

There is no way to solve this as religion when it comes down to the basics is about as flexible as a crowbar

Hitchings , Carl Sagan , Dawkins and other intelligent men have failed to persuade these zealots of the ridiculous beliefs that back all these wars up , it would be great to visit planet earth 1000 years after we on here are all dead and there is no religion but they will still be scrapping over what God said

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If you call being hunted down and martyred for their faith 'gaining from it' then you have a point, not.

And you havn't addressed why those that choose for their lives to be Christ-less then constantly use his Name all the time in their normal dialogue to the exclusion of all other religious individuals?

Well I did. Growing up in Cardiff I wasn't exposed to epithets about Shiva, Buddha or Zeus.

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Well I did. Growing up in Cardiff I wasn't exposed to epithets about Shiva, Buddha or Zeus.

I was exposed to Zeus on a regular basis in the late 90s

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His way ?
The truth , the light ?

All this utter nonsense is why we have these conflicts in the first place , especially in the middle east

It's 2023 and people are still regurgitating this absolute rubbish about god , Jesus ,the disciples , the phrophets , who said what , what some book said

There's not going to be any peace whilst Netanyahu quotes the bloody bible to back up his holy war

A plague on all their houses

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The vast majority of my sentences do not mention the largely fictitious character of Jesus, old fruit. I shall use the epithet Zeus next time.

Neat deflection there, old fruit. Just one mention in that vein is enough. Never mind Zeus, would you dare use the name Mohammad in a similar vein?

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Neat deflection there, old fruit. Just one mention in that vein is enough. Never mind Zeus, would you dare use the name Mohammad in a similar vein?

Just because Christian people can argue to be generally , mostly , more liberal and tolerant than those who follow Mohammed doesn't make it any less of a fairy story still causing deaths all these hundreds of years later

It's all nonsense

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His way ?
The truth , the light ?

All this utter nonsense is why we have these conflicts in the first place , especially in the middle east

It's 2023 and people are still regurgitating this absolute rubbish about god , Jesus ,the disciples , the phrophets , who said what , what some book said

There's not going to be any peace whilst Netanyahu quotes the bloody bible to back up his holy war

A plague on all their houses

I hope you will enjoy your religion-free, conflict-free future. At my age I probably won't be around to witness it but I wish you luck with it. As most of the conflicts around the world have no religious connection I find it difficult to believe that the banning of faith systems will make any significant difference in that regard. Remember Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler - don't recall that they were men of faith? (And please don't repeat the old chestnut that Hitler was a Christian!). Are Russia's invasion of Ukraine and China's soon-to-be invasion of Taiwan religious crusades I wonder? Uhm...

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Just because Christian people can argue to be generally , mostly , more liberal and tolerant than those who follow Mohammed doesn't make it any less of a fairy story still causing deaths all these hundreds of years later

It's all nonsense

It's because folk have largely ignored the teachings of Jesus that we have the world we have. End of.

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pretty much all historians agree that there was a real historical person called Jesus (or whatever the actual name was at the time- Yeshua?) but that all of the magic aspects of his life are in fact fictional and only added a century later by people with plenty to gain from it.

Who are these mythical people who had plenty to "gain from it" 100 years later? This is often used as a throw-away line. The only thing the early Christians gained was to be murdered for their faith!

I grant you maybe 1500 years or so later there were people who would try to gain from it, such as the Catholic church but clearly by their actions they were not Christians!

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It's because folk have largely ignored the teachings of Jesus that we have the world we have. End of.

Oh cripes you don't give up you lot

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I hope you will enjoy your religion-free, conflict-free future. At my age I probably won't be around to witness it but I wish you luck with it. As most of the conflicts around the world have no religious connection I find it difficult to believe that the banning of faith systems will make any significant difference in that regard. Remember Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler - don't recall that they were men of faith? (And please don't repeat the old chestnut that Hitler was a Christian!). Are Russia's invasion of Ukraine and China's soon-to-be invasion of Taiwan religious crusades I wonder? Uhm...

Territory . Faith. Money.

The holy trinity , how ironic , of conflict

If we could let faith strangle itself we would be on the way

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The surge in dogmatic atheism along with the growth of social media coincides with the most polarized society that I can remember.

A new religion of puritanical zealots has filled the vacuum and is succeeding in sucking out the reasoning and joys of society.

Back on topic though.

It is imperative that both Hamas and Israel are held accountable.
Hamas for the terrible atrocities that occurred recently and Israel for its abhorrent treatment of Palestinians over decades, creating such fertile ground for an organization like Hamas to grow.

This conflict is a Wet Dream for Netanyahu and his cabinet.
They must have had intelligence about what was going happen and I think they let it slide to allow them to pursue the actions that they are now taking.

Conversely, Hamas would have expected such a reaction including the deaths of thousands of civilians.
For what purpose?

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The surge in dogmatic atheism along with the growth of social media coincides with the most polarized society that I can remember.

A new religion of puritanical zealots has filled the vacuum and is succeeding in sucking out the reasoning and joys of society.

Back on topic though.

It is imperative that both Hamas and Israel are held accountable.
Hamas for the terrible atrocities that occurred recently and Israel for its abhorrent treatment of Palestinians over decades, creating such fertile ground for an organization like Hamas to grow.

This conflict is a Wet Dream for Netanyahu and his cabinet.
They must have had intelligence about what was going happen and I think they let it slide to allow them to pursue the actions that they are now taking.

Conversely, Hamas would have expected such a reaction including the deaths of thousands of civilians.
For what purpose?

I find the debates involving religious people and those who follow science and evidence on tv and radio tiresome and I don't know why people bother tuning in , apart from for comedy value

Both sides get stressed out , talk over each other and it sometimes ends in tears

That being said I was raised as a Catholic until I was 13 , hated going to church and missed out on loads of Sunday morning fishing trips with my old man so I really can't be doing with any of it in any of its forms

Ultimately the appalling killings by hamas and Israel in the middle east can be firmly pinned on land , the right to exist and the role of holy books and the interpretation of who said what in them and who said what to who etc etc etc

God , Allah, The Bible ......all guilty as charged

Netanyahu rallying his country , already savaged by the god delusion , by quoting the bible the other day was like something out of a Hollywood blockbuster and I can't see how anyone can think there is ever going to be an end to this insanity

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Neat deflection there, old fruit. Just one mention in that vein is enough. Never mind Zeus, would you dare use the name Mohammad in a similar vein?

I understand what you are getting at but my response wasn't deflection. It is indeed the case that curse I have used has been embedded in our British culture for many centuries (and precedes Chaucer and Shakespeare) and one that I was exposed to myself.

Your point, if I understand it correctly and if I may say, would be better expressed as a separate issue or side issue; it's true that it's riskier criticising Islam on any forum on in public brings a greater risk than criticising Christianity. Similarly, one would have to be mindful of criticising Judaism and for another reason.

As we know, Christianity has not always been less forgiving but the societies it originally thrived in have changed and made it, in the main, less fundamental.
That dilution of fundamentalism has also resulted in individuals and schism considering some things as factual and other things metaphorical. How many Christians really believe in the talking snake, the talking donkey and Noah living 950 years and the creation story? My lay-preacher friend actually does and leaves churches when those churches are prepared to be less literal in their interpretation.

Islam asserts more control, in my opinion, over its adherents but I could be accused of being anti-Islamic for stating as much.
All religions I know are folklore and many of their stories were lifted from elsewhere (much to the surprise of their adherents). Some are more invasive and controlling than others.

Religions and language have traditionally travelled along the same conduit; that's why English speakers tended in recent centuries to be Christian, Arab speakers are more associated with Islam and Shintoists spoke Japanese in the main. People throughout history have largely believed the local religion foisted upon them and the same with language. Religion is parochial even when global.

Best have an overview of the souls on this planet, many of whom are believers in a deity or deities whilst believing that the non-believers of their schism are deluded. Religious adherents are merely influenced by time and place. You would not have been Christian if you were born into the Masai before colonialism, raised in the Amazon before colonialism, born in Ancient Greece or with Sikh parents in Amritsar.

Religions are patronising, infantilising, divisive and divide people. And very often overseen by a god that punishes non-adherents to an afterlife outside their supposed paradise. It's all incredibly fascinating if you are interested in humanity and history but we now have the intelligence and knowledge to understand the world in so many ways that bronze-age people couldn't.

Talking snakes and donkeys are so passé when we have an understanding of atoms, DNA and space travel.

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I understand what you are getting at but my response wasn't deflection. It is indeed the case that curse I have used has been embedded in our British culture for many centuries (and precedes Chaucer and Shakespeare) and one that I was exposed to myself.

Your point, if I understand it correctly and if I may say, would be better expressed as a separate issue or side issue; it's true that it's riskier criticising Islam on any forum on in public brings a greater risk than criticising Christianity. Similarly, one would have to be mindful of criticising Judaism and for another reason.

As we know, Christianity has not always been less forgiving but the societies it originally thrived in have changed and made it, in the main, less fundamental.
That dilution of fundamentalism has also resulted in individuals and schism considering some things as factual and other things metaphorical. How many Christians really believe in the talking snake, the talking donkey and Noah living 950 years and the creation story? My lay-preacher friend actually does and leaves churches when those churches are prepared to be less literal in their interpretation.

Islam asserts more control, in my opinion, over its adherents but I could be accused of being anti-Islamic for stating as much.
All religions I know are folklore and many of their stories were lifted from elsewhere (much to the surprise of their adherents). Some are more invasive and controlling than others.

Religions and language have traditionally travelled along the same conduit; that's why English speakers tended in recent centuries to be Christian, Arab speakers are more associated with Islam and Shintoists spoke Japanese in the main. People throughout history have largely believed the local religion foisted upon them and the same with language. Religion is parochial even when global.

Best have an overview of the souls on this planet, many of whom are believers in a deity or deities whilst believing that the non-believers of their schism are deluded. Religious adherents are merely influenced by time and place. You would not have been Christian if you were born into the Masai before colonialism, raised in the Amazon before colonialism, born in Ancient Greece or with Sikh parents in Amritsar.

Religions are patronising, infantilising, divisive and divide people. And very often overseen by a god that punishes non-adherents to an afterlife outside their supposed paradise. It's all incredibly fascinating if you are interested in humanity and history but we now have the intelligence and knowledge to understand the world in so many ways that bronze-age people couldn't.

Talking snakes and donkeys are so passé when we have an understanding of atoms, DNA and space travel.

That's impressive