40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[jon1959]

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[Tuerto]

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Whatever the rights and wrongs of the war - and Israel absolutely should be criticised on many things - claiming "Hitler has won" is just another in a long line of outrageous statements from this old crank that demonstrates historical and contemporary ignorance, that offers absolutely nothing in the pursuit of peace.

I did agree with her on the recent comments about adult Harry Potter fans though.

Your mask slipped when you used the word 'Criticised' A bit weak for a state that is purposely murdering children. And your 'Level Headedness' and scoffing over this womans comments is just so condescending Jim. You may not agree but you put it across with a whiff of superiority, like you know best. You're a phoney.

[JamesWales]

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Your mask slipped when you used the word 'Criticised' A bit weak for a state that is purposely murdering children. And your 'Level Headedness' and scoffing over this womans comments is just so condescending Jim. You may not agree but you put it across with a whiff of superiority, like you know best. You're a phoney.

There's no mask slipping. Israel should be criticised on many things.

I won't subscribe to the idea that everything is comparable to Hitler or the nazis though. I think that is contemporary and historically ignorant.

And there's no superiority about criticising the casual use of such comparisons. There kind of is in trying to imply you care more about murdering children mind.

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Of course Israel is above international law

It's been building settlements on disputed land for decades

Mossad has been assassinating opponents for decades

Now it's bombing the crap out of gaza and the west is allowing it to continue to break international law every day

It's actually funny in a way to see the absolute melts from the Israeli army and government lying and making excuses every day for the massacres going on

Peter Lerner is a British Israeli now over there full time

It's like jackanory when he comes on

The worst is the swivel eyed nutter who is Benjamin Netanyahus personal spokesman

Absolutely crazy 🤪

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Your mask slipped when you used the word 'Criticised' A bit weak for a state that is purposely murdering children. And your 'Level Headedness' and scoffing over this womans comments is just so condescending Jim. You may not agree but you put it across with a whiff of superiority, like you know best. You're a phoney.

Nauseating

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There's no mask slipping. Israel should be criticised on many things.

I won't subscribe to the idea that everything is comparable to Hitler or the nazis though. I think that is contemporary and historically ignorant.

And there's no superiority about criticising the casual use of such comparisons. There kind of is in trying to imply you care more about murdering children mind.

Never mind who cares more about kids being blown up , start by accepting its a disgrace

Once you do that then you can argue about who cares the most

It's not difficult but for you shutting the christ up instead of trying to impress everyone into how clever you are is a huge step

Join the real world you remind me of grant shapps , slippery tart that he is

[JamesWales]

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Never mind who cares more about kids being blown up , start by accepting its a disgrace

Once you do that then you can argue about who cares the most

It's not difficult but for you shutting the christ up instead of trying to impress everyone into how clever you are is a huge step

Join the real world you remind me of grant shapps , slippery tart that he is

Of course kids dying is a ****ing disgrace. All wars are.

Posting ignorant bullshit about Hitler on a football messageboard and then patting eachother on the back about it doesn't make it less likely and frankly in the real world has probably only added to it.

I'm not trying to impress anyone. I'm just disagreeing with people like you when I think you are wrong. You and others have always struggled to accept that, possibly because you self censure all the time, I dunno. But most people would think crass comparisons to Hitler are rarely valid.

You can't claim something is like Hitler, then if someone disagrees claim they don't mind kids being killed. Grow up and get real.

[the other bob wilson]

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Even if what happened on 7 October was the start of the problem, which it definitely wasn’t, the Israeli Government’s reaction to it is completely disproportionate and it was absurd to see David Cameron trying to make out that Iran’s attack on Israel on Saturday night, which in effect was as effective as a pop gun when it came to the amount of damage done, was some kind of outrage against the backdrop of what Israel has been doing to Gaza for months. Cameron and other mainstream political leaders in the west (and I include representatives of the leadership of the Labour Party in this) have grudgingly started to be critical of Israel’s actions, but they’ve fallen into place behind them again after Saturday - it will be interesting to see what the reaction is to the attack on Iran overnight.

It might be in this thread somewhere, but in the last week or so I read a post by James Wales comparing Israel to the various Arab states surrounding it in which he claimed that Israel was the only true democracy among them - essentially it seemed he was saying that they were more civilised than their neighbours.

In a way I agree, but with that superiority which James claims Israel has comes responsibilities. I try to think of greater examples of the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents in my lifetime by a so called civilised nation and struggle to come up with anything worse than what has happened to Gaza over the last six months or so. I strongly believe that those Western politicians who have been so quick to defend Israel over Gaza are out of step with the thinking of most of the populations of their countries in this respect.


As for comparisons with Hitler, they are nearly always made, and argued against, by people who did not live through his time in charge of Germany, so have no direct experience of what happened. However, what that holocaust survivor said to Suella Braverman about her use of language regarding immigration a few years back made a strong impression on me at a time when I was already thinking that recent times have been the closest thing I’ve experienced to living through the thirties as the Second World War approached - I don’t think people of my age or younger have ever lived through a time when Hitler comparisons were more likely to be made.

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Of course kids dying is a ****ing disgrace. All wars are.

Posting ignorant bullshit about Hitler on a football messageboard and then patting eachother on the back about it doesn't make it less likely and frankly in the real world has probably only added to it.

I'm not trying to impress anyone. I'm just disagreeing with people like you when I think you are wrong. You and others have always struggled to accept that, possibly because you self censure all the time, I dunno. But most people would think crass comparisons to Hitler are rarely valid.

You can't claim something is like Hitler, then if someone disagrees claim they don't mind kids being killed. Grow up and get real.

Try again

Israel is slaughtering kids

That's not something that should be " criticised "

It's criminal

And if Miriam Margoyles , a woman of Jewish descent is outraged then you should be too

But again your ego won't allow it

[JamesWales]

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Try again

Israel is slaughtering kids

That's not something that should be " criticised "

It's criminal

And if Miriam Margoyles , a woman of Jewish descent is outraged then you should be too

But again your ego won't allow it

And so we row back, yet again to the crux of the issue:

Agree with Sludge, even when he decided who is or isn't Hitler, and it you don't you like seeing kids murdered

Let's just make it easier shall we? Israel? Hitler! Hamas? Nazis Boko Haram? The SS! Hezbollah? Nazis! Syria? National Socialism! Putin? Hitler for sure! National Conservative conference in Brussels? Totally Nazis. Saudi's in Yemen? Nazis. Burma and the Rhohingya? Nazis. Taliban? Hitlers. Islamic State? Nazis! Marine le Pen? Hitlerina. North Korea? Nazis. China locking up muslins? Hitlers.

Happy now? Doesn't get us anywhere does it.

[JamesWales]

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Even if what happened on 7 October was the start of the problem, which it definitely wasn’t, the Israeli Government’s reaction to it is completely disproportionate and it was absurd to see David Cameron trying to make out that Iran’s attack on Israel on Saturday night, which in effect was as effective as a pop gun when it came to the amount of damage done, was some kind of outrage against the backdrop of what Israel has been doing to Gaza for months. Cameron and other mainstream political leaders in the west (and I include representatives of the leadership of the Labour Party in this) have grudgingly started to be critical of Israel’s actions, but they’ve fallen into place behind them again after Saturday - it will be interesting to see what the reaction is to the attack on Iran overnight.

It might be in this thread somewhere, but in the last week or so I read a post by James Wales comparing Israel to the various Arab states surrounding it in which he claimed that Israel was the only true democracy among them - essentially it seemed he was saying that they were more civilised than their neighbours.

In a way I agree, but with that superiority which James claims Israel has comes responsibilities. I try to think of greater examples of the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents in my lifetime by a so called civilised nation and struggle to come up with anything worse than what has happened to Gaza over the last six months or so. I strongly believe that those Western politicians who have been so quick to defend Israel over Gaza are out of step with the thinking of most of the populations of their countries in this respect.


As for comparisons with Hitler, they are nearly always made, and argued against, by people who did not live through his time in charge of Germany, so have no direct experience of what happened. However, what that holocaust survivor said to Suella Braverman about her use of language regarding immigration a few years back made a strong impression on me at a time when I was already thinking that recent times have been the closest thing I’ve experienced to living through the thirties as the Second World War approached - I don’t think people of my age or younger have ever lived through a time when Hitler comparisons were more likely to be made.

I agree with much of this, although not the last section, but it's all a matter of personal opinion.

Israel has gone far too far and is losing its allies but they are dealing with an enemy intent on seeing their destruction that then hides amongst civilians. Their response is either to do nothing or to see death. Had Egypt opened their doors to allow refugees in? Where's the criticism there? In my opinion their response goes far too far, the death of innocents is always absolutely appalling, but I think we would have made more progress if from day one across the west people had made their revulsion to groups like Hamas at least equal to their revulsion of Israel. War is always absolute hell. Israel would argue they are fighting for their very existence and to prevent a second holocaust. Do I agree with that? Not really, but I can tilt my head 45 degrees and see how they may.

As it is, the protests and general language we see here has got us absolutely no where. If anything its made Israel's response harder. I doubt Hamas care less and Israel clearly care little

One thing is for sure. People calling Israel Nazis on the internet isn't going to solve a single damned thing. As I said, if anything it probably emboldens them.

I've got nothing more to say on it really. I would agree with most of the points made, but not when you all get into a circle jerk over calling everyone Nazis. I'll opt out of that one.

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And so we row back, yet again to the crux of the issue:

Agree with Sludge, even when he decided who is or isn't Hitler, and it you don't you like seeing kids murdered

Let's just make it easier shall we? Israel? Hitler! Hamas? Nazis Boko Haram? The SS! Hezbollah? Nazis! Syria? National Socialism! Putin? Hitler for sure! National Conservative conference in Brussels? Totally Nazis. Saudi's in Yemen? Nazis. Burma and the Rhohingya? Nazis. Taliban? Hitlers. Islamic State? Nazis! Marine le Pen? Hitlerina. North Korea? Nazis. China locking up muslins? Hitlers.

Happy now? Doesn't get us anywhere does it.

Trying to defend your continual right wing defence of anything right wing....in this case Israel.....and "criticising " them instead of condemning them certainly does absolutely nothing for you and gets you absolutely nowhere

If Netanyahu was shot by his own people for the terrible road he has taken them down you would be all over this place like a rash

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I agree with much of this, although not the last section, but it's all a matter of personal opinion.

Israel has gone far too far and is losing its allies but they are dealing with an enemy intent on seeing their destruction that then hides amongst civilians. Their response is either to do nothing or to see death. Had Egypt opened their doors to allow refugees in? Where's the criticism there? In my opinion their response goes far too far, the death of innocents is always absolutely appalling, but I think we would have made more progress if from day one across the west people had made their revulsion to groups like Hamas at least equal to their revulsion of Israel. War is always absolute hell. Israel would argue they are fighting for their very existence and to prevent a second holocaust. Do I agree with that? Not really, but I can tilt my head 45 degrees and see how they may.

As it is, the protests and general language we see here has got us absolutely no where. If anything its made Israel's response harder. I doubt Hamas care less and Israel clearly care little

One thing is for sure. People calling Israel Nazis on the internet isn't going to solve a single damned thing. As I said, if anything it probably emboldens them.

I've got nothing more to say on it really. I would agree with most of the points made, but not when you all get into a circle jerk over calling everyone Nazis. I'll opt out of that one.

You have nothing more to say on it ?

Thank christ for that

Because everything you say is leaning heavily to the right , as always

What a relief 😌

[JamesWales]

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Trying to defend your continual right wing defence of anything right wing....in this case Israel.....and "criticising " them instead of condemning them certainly does absolutely nothing for you and gets you absolutely nowhere

If Netanyahu was shot by his own people for the terrible road he has taken them down you would be all over this place like a rash

I've not defended a single thing, but as usual you put things in people's mouths so you can reply with one of your default options which is an insult followed by a word like Nazi or Tory or Fascist or something else.

[JamesWales]

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You have nothing more to say on it ?

Thank christ for that

Because everything you say is leaning heavily to the right , as always

What a relief 😌

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