40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[JamesWales]

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Tell that to the people of gaza as they are getting bombed

Democracy my arse

They are being probed ......they are being found out

So they are shutting down anything that digs up the truth

Israel are losing this war bit by bit

Democracies still do shit things but the fact still remains it's by far the most liberal and free part of the middle east

[stevo]

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The most liberal yes, but that doesn’t excuse them of war crimes.

[JamesWales]

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The most liberal yes, but that doesn’t excuse them of war crimes.

No, two seperated issues. But the report is about big bad Israel restricting media when it still has a comparatively very open media.

I do wish the reality of these things Vs perception would be pushed out more.

[the other bob wilson]

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No, two seperated issues. But the report is about big bad Israel restricting media when it still has a comparatively very open media.

I do wish the reality of these things Vs perception would be pushed out more.

Your reality you mean.

[the other bob wilson]

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The most liberal yes, but that doesn’t excuse them of war crimes.

Liberal as long as you report the news in a manner they want you to.

[JamesWales]

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Your reality you mean.

Such a depressing comment.

[truthpaste]

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Democracies still do shit things but the fact still remains it's by far the most liberal and free part of the middle east

By a country mile

[truthpaste]

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P.S. Sorry to hi-jack the thread but as the conversation (inevitably it seems!) has recently turned to "religion" I see that Russell Brand has recently been baptised and declares that he is now a Christian. Like Michael Coren says* (https://inews.co.uk/opinion/russell-...aptism-3032293) I look forward to seeing the change in him. "By their fruits you shall know them". To quote the vernacular: the proof of the pudding is in the eating!

I wonder what other posters make of this?

* Quote from the Coren article: One of the delights of my priestly life is when I’m asked to perform a baptism. Sometimes it will be babies held by their parents, but often it’s mature people who have come to know Jesus Christ, and long for this sacramental bonding into God’s family. I welcome every one of them.

I have the same attitude towards Russell Brand, who has just announced to his millions of online followers that on Sunday he was baptised. He said that he felt “incredibly blessed” and that he was “nourished” by it all. I’m delighted for him and hope that he emerges as a true follower of Jesus, committed to devotion to God, loving his enemies, standing with the poor and the marginalised, and putting others before himself.

But there’s even more to it than that. Baptism involves transformation, a different life, and what we might think of as a great, glorious coming clean. This new covenant is not just for us but to us; in other words, it’s not something that’s passive but for an adult is an indication of action and movement, and it also demands humility and contrition.

While I share your desire to see him live it in his everyday life to prove he is truly serving Christ, the emphasis on baptism will potentially be misleading to many. As I mentioned yesterday, religious ceremonies have no direct impact on a persons eternal destiny, and can only point (as baptism after repentance does) to a commitment that has already taken place; the Bible says, 'believe and be baptised', because it's faith in Christ that saves, and not any religious act or man-made ceremony.

[truthpaste]

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And for me there is no 'hope' that your supernatural beliefs are nonsense - no 'hope' needed - just disgust that they lead you and those that share your views ('the Land they were given in writing') into cheerleading ethnic cleansing!

What a bizzare leap?
To assume that I am in agreement with all that Israel do from day to day, and more than that, that I am jumping up and down in glee!
Sure, your beloved 'The Guardian' may be mainly black & white, but life generally isn't.
I may love and support my children, yet do I agree with all they do on a daily basis? Obviously not.
Please give a little more thought before you take such unfounded leaps in the future.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Meanwhile the Newport Palestine Solidarity Campaign are organizing a demonstration in Cardiff at 6pm today. Either that or it's the Cardiff Palestine Solidarity Campaign demonstrating in Newport. Or .....

[JamesWales]

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Being reported that Hamas are apparently willing to accept ceasefire terms

[truthpaste]

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Being reported that Hamas are apparently willing to accept ceasefire terms

Hopefully good news:-

BBC Summary
Hamas says it has approved a ceasefire deal for Gaza put forward by Qatari and Egyptian mediators
It is not yet known exactly what the group has agreed to - and whether Israel will give its backing to the plan
The announcement comes as Israel has urged 100,000 Palestinians to leave eastern Rafah ahead of a "limited" military operation
The Israeli military says it is not a wide-scale evacuation and evacuees will be directed to tent cities in Khan Younis and al-Mawasi.

[jon1959]

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What a bizzare leap?
To assume that I am in agreement with all that Israel do from day to day, and more than that, that I am jumping up and down in glee!
Sure, your beloved 'The Guardian' may be mainly black & white, but life generally isn't.
I may love and support my children, yet do I agree with all they do on a daily basis? Obviously not.
Please give a little more thought before you take such unfounded leaps in the future.

No leap at all.

Maybe you should re read some of your own posts?

It wasnt that long ago you were amazed that Israel had taken as long as they had to force Palestinian arabs off their land so they could claim what was supposedly promised to their ancestors by your imaginary friend.

You may not agree with everything Israel does day to day, but you have repeatedly made clear your support for ethnic cleansing to fullfil the ‘contract’ in the Old Testament.

Ethnic cleansing in practice means regular murders, expulsion and systematic oppression through the IOF, armed settlers carrying out pogroms, and discriminatory colonial laws - and over 6 million people in refugee camps.

Of course if you have now changed your mind and want to take the side of the oppressed not the oppressor, that is good. Always welcome a sinner who has seen the light! But if not just own your own words and beliefs.

[truthpaste]

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jon1959 said:

Maybe you should re read some of your own posts?

If my former posts helped your agenda you'd be quoting them; they don't, so no surprise you haven't.

It wasnt that long ago you were amazed that Israel had taken as long as they had to force Palestinian arabs off their land so they could claim what was supposedly promised to their ancestors by your imaginary friend.

The timing of them inheriting the land they've been promised has nothing to do with HOW that will happen?

You may not agree with everything Israel does day to day, but you have repeatedly made clear your support for ethnic cleansing to fullfil the ‘contract’ in the Old Testament.

A lie, but then why wouldn't you? The god you serve has been a liar from the beginning. And the fact that some people often say they follow no god doesn't negate their god's 'fingerprint' being all over their posts and their consistent attitude to God's chosen people.
Also, who told you that the land promised to the Jews was only attainable via bloodshed?

[Keyser Soze]

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That's exactly what a few callers on radio 5 were saying tonight

Israel seems to be going full speed into slaughter , its insanity and its going to be disastrous

Russia attacks Ukraine and they are monsters and we have food collections and invite their president over

The Palestinians in Gaza are caught in the middle between hamas and the Israelis

Not only are they not getting invites to meet Sunak they are also getting bombed and being starved out

Jesus wept

Whilst my feelings are aligned and equally disaheartend, I am surprised that people are surprised. As you say the Arab-Jew problem is perennial. But the new causes of tension have taken on added complexity, with Russia and China assisting Iran’s agitations.

Nothing has changed since Iraq - Afghanistan in that:

1. Battle for resources: Iraqi oil. Plus Afghan lithium & rare earth minerals (the biggest source in the world for Electric Vehicles, along with Chile, US and China)

2. Oil and gas distribution pipelines to Europe / Mediterranean and to the East in China

3. Military supply and access lines fornIran through to Hamas and Hezbollah

4. Iraq and Afghanistan, like Palestinians, Yemen and Lebanon, have Shia-Muslim supporting elites running them as Shia-muslim sympathetic countries for Iran, to help Iran’s Revolutionary Guard achieve it’s geo-political triple objective of: eliminating Israel and its people off the map, getting rid of Western influence in fhe region, and imposing/exporting the vicious, hard, fundamentalist Shia-Muslim form of Islamism onto moderate Sunni muslim countries

5. Influencing global shipping lanes via Suez and Straights of Hormuz, and thus global inflation

The only difference in this decade is that China and Russia are providing military, financial and political influence to it, as it suits their long term strategic agenda of also removing Western influence in the region, and grabbing the oil and minerals for themselves at knock-down, off-market prices.

Radio 5 callers just see “another war” and humanitarian issues, which is reasonable. They cannot seem to see the big picture, or are willfully ignoring it as it is a hard pill to swallow. Many simplistic or well-meaning people don’t want to believe that national political actors can be so cold, strategic, calculating and ruthless, and arguably inhumane.

The Middle East has been a geo-political chessboard for several centuries now. If people can switch on their awareness to this they will form
a more realistic assessment of how messy it is, and likely always will be.