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  • #61
    Re: The Liberal Democrats

    Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
    I think they should be used sparingly.

    But the parliamentary democracy you speak of produced a winning party who had a manifesto promise and a policy of calling for a referendum on this topic. Parliament then voted for the referendum, so it was only ever a product of parliamentary democracy.
    That was a cop out and it's ruining the country.

    I don't think there are ever any good reasons for having a referendum. We have a Parliamentary Democracy for the simple reason most, if not all issues, are far too complex and difficult for ordinary people to decide upon. Brexit is a classic example and will go down in history as a catastrophic failure of government.

    I wanted to overthrow the result because I thought the whole process was illegitimate. In another thread I've even mentioned Steve Baker who has misgivings now and thinks the referendum should have been on a 60/40 split. That would have been slightly more responsible in my opinion but I still believe the referendum was an utter debacle and should never have taken place in any circumstances.

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    • #62
      Re: The Liberal Democrats

      Originally posted by Dorcus View Post
      That was a cop out and it's ruining the country.

      I don't think there are ever any good reasons for having a referendum. We have a Parliamentary Democracy for the simple reason most, if not all issues, are far too complex and difficult for ordinary people to decide upon. Brexit is a classic example and will go down in history as a catastrophic failure of government.

      I wanted to overthrow the result because I thought the whole process was illegitimate. In another thread I've even mentioned Steve Baker who has misgivings now and thinks the referendum should have been on a 60/40 split. That would have been slightly more responsible in my opinion but I still believe the referendum was an utter debacle and should never have taken place in any circumstances.
      Fair enough. I disagree on nearly every point, but that's the beauty of democracy eh?! 👍

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      • #63
        Re: The Liberal Democrats

        Originally posted by Dorcus View Post
        That was a cop out and it's ruining the country.

        I don't think there are ever any good reasons for having a referendum. We have a Parliamentary Democracy for the simple reason most, if not all issues, are far too complex and difficult for ordinary people to decide upon. Brexit is a classic example and will go down in history as a catastrophic failure of government.

        I wanted to overthrow the result because I thought the whole process was illegitimate. In another thread I've even mentioned Steve Baker who has misgivings now and thinks tThe referendum should have been on a 60/40 split. That would have been slightly more responsible in my opinion but I still believe the referendum was an utter debacle and should never have taken place in any circumstances.
        I wrote to my M.P. on this very point at the time. I suggested a two thirds majority though (66.6%/33.3%). It was a huge mistake by David Cameron et al to allow a simple majority on such an important issue. Hopefully the SNP will learn from that if/when they ever get their referendum on independence.

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        • #64
          Re: The Liberal Democrats

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          • #65
            Re: The Liberal Democrats

            Originally posted by Jordi Culé View Post
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            Most sensible thing I've heard you say! ;)

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            • #66
              Re: The Liberal Democrats

              Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
              Most sensible thing I've heard you say! ;)
              I'm surprised you read it as it's actually typed!

              Touché.

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