The triple lock.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: The triple lock.

I am one of these. However I will gladly accept the 8.5% rise, although I am acutely conscious that it is the current working population who effectively are paying me via their tax/NI contributions and not H.M. Government per se. (A fact which many people on benefits in general sometimes fail to recognise!).

I was talking to a friend from Austria and not knowing our system she said 'our system is x, it means that we pay for our parents and our children pay for us', it made me realise how infantilised the UK population was been, this delusion of 'i paid in' is so widespread because people have been lied to.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The triple lock.

We live in a selfish country and it goes back to Thatcher

You get people happy to slag off immigrants , those on low pay and others for getting what they call free money

But it seems a tax cut , increased pension etc ....oh I will have some of that ! , not turning that down ! .....I deserve it !

Selfish and hypocritical

We must run the country like our own households they say ......too many freeloaders .....I didn't get where I am today without hard work .....its costing us 25 quid a day to run the nhs and social services you know .....that's my bloody money ......I can't go on 3 holidays this year you know !


But the government throws a few quid the way of these people who DEMAND strong action on the finances of this country to keep Britain great .....and they are grabbing it like its gold dust

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The triple lock.

You could always donate any unwanted rise to charities if your choice rather than effectively returning it to the government's coffers.

Let's say you work out 400 quid of that rise , it's just a figure .....is floating cash ......200 quid to food banks , 200 quid to a Cardiff based homeless charity

Until things are changed and the triple lock ends then I think that's admirable and a decent thing to do in todays society

[LeningradCowboy]

Re: The triple lock.

My question for those over 66 like myself is do you think there should be a scheme whereby you can voluntarily forego the pension rises, or a proportion of them, announced in yesterday's pre election "giveaway" if you are so minded? For myself, I'm hardly wealthy, so need some sort of annual rise, but, if I could, I would reduce it to something like four or five per cent - although every penny of the eight per cent plus will be needed in many cases I'm sure, it seems excessive in mine.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/01/you-can-pay-more-tax-if-you-want-to

You can pay more tax if you want to.

[Gofer Blue]

Re: The triple lock.

We live in a selfish country and it goes back to Thatcher

You get people happy to slag off immigrants , those on low pay and others for getting what they call free money

But it seems a tax cut , increased pension etc ....oh I will have some of that ! , not turning that down ! .....I deserve it !

Selfish and hypocritical

We must run the country like our own households they say ......too many freeloaders .....I didn't get where I am today without hard work .....its costing us 25 quid a day to run the nhs and social services you know .....that's my bloody money ......I can't go on 3 holidays this year you know !


But the government throws a few quid the way of these people who DEMAND strong action on the finances of this country to keep Britain great .....and they are grabbing it like its gold dust

Two famous sayings of John Wesley (sorry Sludge but he was a Christian too):

Earn all you can, Save all you can, Give all you can.

Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can.

Not much to argue with there I would say.


On the pension topic, Aneurin Bevan once famously said this about the state pension scheme: “The secret of the National Insurance fund is that there isn’t one” Today's pensions are paid for by today's tax payers.

[Gofer Blue]

Re: The triple lock.

I was talking to a friend from Austria and not knowing our system she said 'our system is x, it means that we pay for our parents and our children pay for us', it made me realise how infantilised the UK population was been, this delusion of 'i paid in' is so widespread because people have been lied to.

Aneurin Bevan once famously said this about the state pension scheme: “The secret of the National Insurance fund is that there isn’t one” Today's pensions are paid for by today's tax payers. So nobody should be under illusions how the system works.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The triple lock.

Two famous sayings of John Wesley (sorry Sludge but he was a Christian too):

Earn all you can, Save all you can, Give all you can.

Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can.

Not much to argue with there I would say.


On the pension topic, Aneurin Bevan once famously said this about the state pension scheme: “The secret of the National Insurance fund is that there isn’t one” Today's pensions are paid for by today's tax payers.

It's the give all you can bit that's the problem

[life on mars]

Re: The triple lock.

I'd glady accept means testing for Triple Lock .
Bus Passes .
Free Prescription.
Winter Fuel
And any other associated over 66 benefits.

Lots in work are claiming State Pension , Company Pensions , Plus Wages , mind you the tax bill is high so its best to offset.

The generation enjoying this are probably mortgage free .

Do feel for younger folk .

On the business of National Insurance Nye Bevans White paper would be written differently today its was meant to help those who couldn't enjoy health care .. it's now abused and politicised

What's Labour's stance ?

[Maurice Swan]

Re: The triple lock.

Don't forget that all these headline pension rates/increases are not applicable to those who retired (like me) before 2016. We get less despite having had to work more years to qualify...and with each %'age increase the gap gets wider between 'old' pension and 'new' pension. I really don't think that is equitable.

As for NHS...far too much management of poor quality...too many cosmetic operations etc that should not be free. . Although retired here in France - and although comfortable, not wealthy, the state will pay 70% of all medical costs (including prescriptions), the other 30% is optional as to whether you pay it as you need to or (mostly) pay insurance subscription to cover the remaining 30%. Seems sensible to avoid frivolous use of the service.

Also, a sensible idea here when paying tax.... it is based n the household, not the individual, so myself, my wife (not working) = 2 parts and my two sons = 0.5 part each. So tax allowance is for 3 people in effect.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: The triple lock.

Aneurin Bevan once famously said this about the state pension scheme: “The secret of the National Insurance fund is that there isn’t one” Today's pensions are paid for by today's tax payers. So nobody should be under illusions how the system works.

'Twas thus from the very start..