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    ...is off to a flyer in his bid to 'out twaat' Priti Patel for being the worst Home Secretary.

    His comments regarding child poverty and its causes in Stockton are a refreshing change to the usual political waffle politicians usually come up with.

    I'm sure the Tory candidate in Stockton is grateful for his input?

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    Re: James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

    For anyone unaware of what Jordi means.

    James Cleverly has denied calling an MP's constituency a "sh**hole" in Wednesday's Prime Minister's Questions.

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      Re: James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

      Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
      For anyone unaware of what Jordi means.

      https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/james-cle...-constituency/
      Something which both Corbyn and Raynor have been caught saying in the HoC btw. Meanwhile while people are wetting themselves over that - bbc just published that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67507045

      "The revised figures for 2022 show net migration to the UK was 745,000.
      The new figures, for the 12 months to June 2023, show net migration at 672,000." these are net figures.

      In the space of 2 years there has been the equivalent of 4 new Cardiffs created in terms of population rather than housing.

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        Re: James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

        Originally posted by pipster View Post
        Something which both Corbyn and Raynor have been caught saying in the HoC btw. Meanwhile while people are wetting themselves over that - bbc just published that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67507045

        "The revised figures for 2022 show net migration to the UK was 745,000.
        The new figures, for the 12 months to June 2023, show net migration at 672,000." these are net figures.

        In the space of 2 years there has been the equivalent of 4 new Cardiffs created in terms of population rather than housing.
        You raise a good point. Based on my maths for every asylum seeker who landed in the UK in 2022, 8 other people arrived to work, study and live under the UK's normal immigration rules. Almost all these people arrived from non-EU countries and numbers have soared exponentially since we left the EU single market in 2020.

        Who is to blame for this massive surge? People Traffickers, Supreme Court Judges?

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          Re: James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

          Originally posted by pipster View Post
          Something which both Corbyn and Raynor have been caught saying in the HoC btw. Meanwhile while people are wetting themselves over that - bbc just published that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67507045

          "The revised figures for 2022 show net migration to the UK was 745,000.
          The new figures, for the 12 months to June 2023, show net migration at 672,000." these are net figures.

          In the space of 2 years there has been the equivalent of 4 new Cardiffs created in terms of population rather than housing.
          Got a link to what Corbyn and Raynor said, because I couldn’t find anything.

          When the current Foreign Secretary was Prime Minister,he was telling us that his Government’s net migration target was 100,000 a year, that went well didn’t it.

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            There is little debate here, surely. The govt have absolutely failed to properly control immigration.

            They have succeeded in providing the UK with greater powers in this respect (a good thing in my opinion) but failed to bring levels down.

            People will have different opinions on that, but I suspect few people think this level of immigration is sustainable or beneficial to us a society.

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              Re: James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

              Originally posted by pipster View Post
              Something which both Corbyn and Raynor have been caught saying in the HoC btw. Meanwhile while people are wetting themselves over that - bbc just published that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67507045

              "The revised figures for 2022 show net migration to the UK was 745,000.
              The new figures, for the 12 months to June 2023, show net migration at 672,000." these are net figures.

              In the space of 2 years there has been the equivalent of 4 new Cardiffs created in terms of population rather than housing.
              That's firmly at the feet of your lot

              Since 2010 they have been banging the immigration drum and successive tory governments have told those that vote for them that it would be dealt with

              And it's increased

              Write to Rishi

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                Re: James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

                Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
                There is little debate here, surely. The govt have absolutely failed to properly control immigration.

                They have succeeded in providing the UK with greater powers in this respect (a good thing in my opinion) but failed to bring levels down.

                People will have different opinions on that, but I suspect few people think this level of immigration is sustainable or beneficial to us a society.
                The significant blip of Ukranians and people from Hong Kong aside, these immigration numbers seem driven by a massive expansion in overseas students and a major influx into the health and social care sectors to replace departing EU citizens and fill roles that UK citizens are unable or unwilling to fill.

                There are for example over 150k chinese students studying at UK universities all paying tuition and accommodation fees whilst elsewhere we seem to be treating that country as a geo-political risk.

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                  Re: James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

                  Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
                  Got a link to what Corbyn and Raynor said, because I couldn’t find anything.

                  When the current Foreign Secretary was Prime Minister,he was telling us that his Government’s net migration target was 100,000 a year, that went well didn’t it.
                  Corbyn called someone that stupid women ( I the target was Theresa May) , Raynor called someone scum in the HoC (she has previous in that dept I believe).
                  Raynor was also given a lesson by Mordaunt - which is cringeworthy to watch - so much so that halfway through Raynor puts her mask on. All freely available on youtube.

                  Re it going well etc - I think it proves that since Blair said go find them from anywhere and let them in - the legal and illegal migration issue is a problem still not solved - on both sides. That is a problem shared amongst many other EU countries.

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                    Re: James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

                    Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
                    That's firmly at the feet of your lot

                    Since 2010 they have been banging the immigration drum and successive tory governments have told those that vote for them that it would be dealt with

                    And it's increased

                    Write to Rishi
                    here's the complete break down of figures since 1992

                    1992 49,000
                    1994 94,000
                    1995 127,000
                    1996 116,000
                    --New Labour elected--
                    1997 107,000
                    1998 162,000
                    1999 187,000
                    2000 220,000
                    2001 220,000
                    2002 241,000
                    2003 239,000
                    2004 349,000
                    2005 293,000
                    2006 322,000
                    2007 330,000
                    2008 250,000
                    2009 242,000
                    --Conservatives elected--
                    2010 294,000
                    2011 291,000
                    2012 291,000
                    2012 229,000
                    2014 283,000
                    2015 379,000
                    --People vote for Brexit--
                    2016 369,000
                    2017 270,000
                    2018 285,000
                    2019 275,000
                    2020 374,000
                    2021 456,000
                    2022 745,000 (revised up)
                    2023 672,000

                    Source: Oxford Observatory/ONS

                    your correct a massive increase

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                      Re: James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

                      Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
                      There is little debate here, surely. The govt have absolutely failed to properly control immigration.

                      They have succeeded in providing the UK with greater powers in this respect (a good thing in my opinion) but failed to bring levels down.

                      People will have different opinions on that, but I suspect few people think this level of immigration is sustainable or beneficial to us a society.
                      This was the major lie around brexit, they can't bring it down because

                      - Pension must always go up above other metrics at the expense of everything else
                      - Pensioner cohort grows in proportion to working cohort

                      We cannot support existing promises without greater workforce

                      These have to be imported because people can't afford to have kids

                      When people who can't afford to have kids have them anyway, the 70 year old couple living in a 5 bed house in Surrey call them feckless

                      I haven't presented this very well but it's one big cycle/spiral of selfishness and denial going in one direction, downwards.

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                        Re: James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

                        Originally posted by pipster View Post
                        Corbyn called someone that stupid women ( I the target was Theresa May) , Raynor called someone scum in the HoC (she has previous in that dept I believe).
                        Raynor was also given a lesson by Mordaunt - which is cringeworthy to watch - so much so that halfway through Raynor puts her mask on. All freely available on youtube.

                        Re it going well etc - I think it proves that since Blair said go find them from anywhere and let them in - the legal and illegal migration issue is a problem still not solved - on both sides. That is a problem shared amongst many other EU countries.
                        So, Corbyn and Raynor didn’t use the word “shithole” then. As I remember it, Raynor called Tories “scum”, what she and Corbyn didn’t do was insult a whole community like Cleverly is alleged to have done, so it’s hardly the same thing as you claimed it was.

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                          Re: James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

                          Originally posted by MOZZER2 View Post
                          here's the complete break down of figures since 1992

                          1992 49,000
                          1994 94,000
                          1995 127,000
                          1996 116,000
                          --New Labour elected--
                          1997 107,000
                          1998 162,000
                          1999 187,000
                          2000 220,000
                          2001 220,000
                          2002 241,000
                          2003 239,000
                          2004 349,000
                          2005 293,000
                          2006 322,000
                          2007 330,000
                          2008 250,000
                          2009 242,000
                          --Conservatives elected--
                          2010 294,000
                          2011 291,000
                          2012 291,000
                          2012 229,000
                          2014 283,000
                          2015 379,000
                          --People vote for Brexit--
                          2016 369,000
                          2017 270,000
                          2018 285,000
                          2019 275,000
                          2020 374,000
                          2021 456,000
                          2022 745,000 (revised up)
                          2023 672,000

                          Source: Oxford Observatory/ONS

                          your correct a massive increase
                          Migration was high at the end of the 1990s tory reign

                          It carried on under labour , reduced and now its higher than ever

                          If people usually on the right as in this thread are saying it's too high then they have voted for the party that has let it happen

                          It's 3 times in some cases what it was under Blair

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                            Re: James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

                            Originally posted by pipster View Post
                            Something which both Corbyn and Raynor have been caught saying in the HoC btw. Meanwhile while people are wetting themselves over that - bbc just published that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67507045

                            "The revised figures for 2022 show net migration to the UK was 745,000.
                            The new figures, for the 12 months to June 2023, show net migration at 672,000." these are net figures.

                            In the space of 2 years there has been the equivalent of 4 new Cardiffs created in terms of population rather than housing.
                            You're just lying here.

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                              Re: James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

                              Originally posted by pipster View Post
                              Corbyn called someone that stupid women ( I the target was Theresa May) , Raynor called someone scum in the HoC (she has previous in that dept I believe).
                              Raynor was also given a lesson by Mordaunt - which is cringeworthy to watch - so much so that halfway through Raynor puts her mask on. All freely available on youtube.

                              Re it going well etc - I think it proves that since Blair said go find them from anywhere and let them in - the legal and illegal migration issue is a problem still not solved - on both sides. That is a problem shared amongst many other EU countries.
                              So unless Stockton is actually a shithole, 2 were right and one was wrong.

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