Speed limit in Wales changed to 25mph

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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We live in Wales, it rains 350 days a year, and cycling is lovely for the other 15 days a year, so let's build sh!t loads of cycle lanes, and block up all the car routes!

Are you totally against catering for other modes of transport, other than cars?

[pipster]

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We live in Wales, it rains 350 days a year, and cycling is lovely for the other 15 days a year, so let's build sh!t loads of cycle lanes, and block up all the car routes!

In Cardiff Caro Wild (Labour) and Hugh Thomas (Labour leader) have made air pollution worse - which is the complete opposite of what they wanted. They created a situation that causes traffic build up - so people just sit in their cars, vans, lorries etc and leyt the engines idle, whilst polluting the streets. Caro Wild is from Leeds quite how he ended up here I dont know. He already cost us 3 million by closing Castle street - and then being forced to re open it. And then spent 1,000,000 on a bus lane on Cathedral road that saves 30 seconds of journey time. And the lane they built is too narrow and looks like it will have to be re done.
Idiots - and people who vote for them....

As for 20 mph Drakefraud couldnt wait to leave - out of his depth - just like Born Guessing and Jeremy (20mph) Miles. Dianne Abbot and her jailbird son would be a better option than the next 2 muppets putting themselves forward as 'Leader'

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Are you totally against catering for other modes of transport, other than cars?

Of course not, build a decent public transport system and then try and reduce traffic, not the wrong way around like Drippy's method.

I cycle for fun but it's impractical for transport to work, and how are pensioners going to be able to cycle from Aberdare/Caerphilly/Lisvane to Cardiff town centre?

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Speed limit in Wales changed to 25mph

In Cardiff Caro Wild (Labour) and Hugh Thomas (Labour leader) have made air pollution worse - which is the complete opposite of what they wanted. They created a situation that causes traffic build up - so people just sit in their cars, vans, lorries etc and leyt the engines idle, whilst polluting the streets. Caro Wild is from Leeds quite how he ended up here I dont know. He already cost us 3 million by closing Castle street - and then being forced to re open it. And then spent 1,000,000 on a bus lane on Cathedral road that saves 30 seconds of journey time. And the lane they built is too narrow and looks like it will have to be re done.
Idiots - and people who vote for them....

As for 20 mph Drakefraud couldnt wait to leave - out of his depth - just like Born Guessing and Jeremy (20mph) Miles. Dianne Abbot and her jailbird son would be a better option than the next 2 muppets putting themselves forward as 'Leader'

Exactly, how the hell has he got away with messing everything up on a whim?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Of course not, build a decent public transport system and then try and reduce traffic, not the wrong way around like Drippy's method.

I cycle for fun but it's impractical for transport to work, and how are pensioners going to be able to cycle from Aberdare/Caerphilly/Lisvane to Cardiff town centre?

There's one flaw in this. Our public transport is that bad it'll take years and years to sort it out. Every day I read someone moaning about train cancellations, or that electrification is taking too long, or the new trains will be crap. There isn't a bottomless pit to get our railways up to a reasonable standard after decades of decline. When the metro is finally completed, it'll make a difference.

Bus services in Wales are shocking. Unless you live in a densely populated area, buses are too infrequent to be of use to most. Welsh Government policies have not helped the industry.

However, if you're going to encourage people to use public transport, journey times need to be reasonably similar to using the car or people won't bother. That means bus lanes that piss car drivers off. Someone mentioned that the one on Cathedral road saves 30 seconds. I bet it saves a damn sight more than that during peak time when the road is extremely busy. Buses that run late cost more money if extra time is needed, or they need more buses on the road to keep the same level of service. Who pays for that? Bus operators around Wales are barely breaking even as things stand and things are set to get worse. Where does the money come from to improve things? Nationalise them again? Put all services to tender?

One of the biggest issues we face isn't so much cars, roads or public transport, it's that desire that someone needs to get from A to B as quickly as they can at a precise moment without having to wait. I spent 11 years using public transport to go everywhere. Possible? Yes. Practical, no (most of the time). The truth is that too many of us are in too much of a hurry and need to be somewhere else now. That's the attitude that needs to change the most and I'll put my hand up and say I'm guilty of that as well.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Speed limit in Wales changed to 25mph

There's one flaw in this. Our public transport is that bad it'll take years and years to sort it out. Every day I read someone moaning about train cancellations, or that electrification is taking too long, or the new trains will be crap. There isn't a bottomless pit to get our railways up to a reasonable standard after decades of decline. When the metro is finally completed, it'll make a difference.

Bus services in Wales are shocking. Unless you live in a densely populated area, buses are too infrequent to be of use to most. Welsh Government policies have not helped the industry.

However, if you're going to encourage people to use public transport, journey times need to be reasonably similar to using the car or people won't bother. That means bus lanes that piss car drivers off. Someone mentioned that the one on Cathedral road saves 30 seconds. I bet it saves a damn sight more than that during peak time when the road is extremely busy. Buses that run late cost more money if extra time is needed, or they need more buses on the road to keep the same level of service. Who pays for that? Bus operators around Wales are barely breaking even as things stand and things are set to get worse. Where does the money come from to improve things? Nationalise them again? Put all services to tender?

One of the biggest issues we face isn't so much cars, roads or public transport, it's that desire that someone needs to get from A to B as quickly as they can at a precise moment without having to wait. I spent 11 years using public transport to go everywhere. Possible? Yes. Practical, no (most of the time). The truth is that too many of us are in too much of a hurry and need to be somewhere else now. That's the attitude that needs to change the most and I'll put my hand up and say I'm guilty of that as well.

Slow the buses to 20mph, great that really helps them run on time.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Slow the buses to 20mph, great that really helps them run on time.

In the grand scheme of things, the 20mph limits are less of a threat to the bus industry than the little-known mirror wasp, which can cause havoc during the summer as they all cling to bus mirrors to get a peek at themselves.

[Rjk]

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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/english-tory-politicians-running-facebook-28449407

interesting article on some of the vocal opposition groups to the 20mph limit ..

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...ebook-28449407

interesting article on some of the vocal opposition groups to the 20mph limit ..

Nobody is more anti-Tory than me, but I don't see how it makes any difference who set up these Facebook groups. If they were trying to push an agenda, fair enough, but I don't think that's the case here. It might be trying to cash in on something unpopular, but let's face it, the roll out of 20mph is deeply unpopular, even among Labour voters.

[JamesWales]

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What i find interesting is that there is no data already. In this article, it again states that as as accidents and deaths will be dramatically cut over the decade. I know it takes time to get a full picture, but its been operational for several months now. There should already be some data?

[Rjk]

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What i find interesting is that there is no data already. In this article, it again states that as as accidents and deaths will be dramatically cut over the decade. I know it takes time to get a full picture, but its been operational for several months now. There should already be some data?

I think it'll be a year before you can really see the impact

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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What i find interesting is that there is no data already. In this article, it again states that as as accidents and deaths will be dramatically cut over the decade. I know it takes time to get a full picture, but its been operational for several months now. There should already be some data?

It's a good point. All this data used to be regular. Now it isn't.

[the other bob wilson]

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I think it'll be a year before you can really see the impact

Maybe not the best phrase to use under the circumstances, but I agree - seems to me that figures for the year 2024 will offer the first definite comparison you can make. My guess is that any difference will not be too hig.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...ebook-28449407

interesting article on some of the vocal opposition groups to the 20mph limit ..

He's doing a good job alerting the Welsh public and putting pressure on Labour to make changes and push out Drippy, that's what opposition parties are supposed to do.

[The Bloop]

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He's doing a good job alerting the Welsh public and putting pressure on Labour to make changes and push out Drippy, that's what opposition parties are supposed to do.

Whilst wholeheartedly campaigning for more 20mph zones where he lives.
No-one is pushing out 'Drippy' by the way. I assume you mean Mark Drakeford, and he's leaving of his own accord in a couple of months.
If you're looking for a politician to push out, the tories in Wales would have a better chance of being a more effective opposition, if they pushed out their current leader.