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[NinianOpinion1927]

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What's your problem with the WEF? Surely we need joined up thinking between the nations if we are to tackle environmental issues, deforestation and defuse global conflict? I was dubious about the WEF on the surface but are they that bad? I have delved deep into it like you seem to have. Interested in your views

I meant to say that i haven't delved deep into the WEF and what they do

[Doucas]

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Must win the "most arrogant post of the day" surely!
Interesting response from TBG.

Call it arrogance if you want but it's a fact, younger generations are far more educated than older generations.

Whether that equates to being more intelligent is a completely different story but generally every new generation is smarter than the one that preceeded it.

[Rjk]

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What's your problem with the WEF? Surely we need joined up thinking between the nations if we are to tackle environmental issues, deforestation and defuse global conflict? I was dubious about the WEF on the surface but are they that bad? I have delved deep into it like you seem to have. Interested in your views

It's just a talking shop, it doesn't have any tangible power.

Most of the biggest problems we face as a planet cannot be solved by countries acting alone, so this is a forum to allow nations and companies to discuss things and hear speakers on these subjects.

It IS funded by a large number of multi billion dollar companies, so you have to expect that there will be an element of furthering their own interests involved, and the events are lavish (as you would expect) and fairly secretive, so it is easy to see why they get such attention from the tinfoil hat brigade.

I can understand the secrecy tbh, if you make everything public then all the politicians would inevitably revert to their public non-committal face-saving type of statements and you wouldn't be able to have any meaningful discussion about anything.

It's soft power at best and all of the attendees can and probably do completely disregard everything they've heard as soon as the last canapé has slithered down their throat.

It's good that something like this exists, it would be nice if it was funded in another way perhaps.

[pipster]

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So what’s your answer then? Starmer pisses me off, but my attitude is let’s see what Labour are like in Government before writing them off - my desire to get the present Governmentout is my overriding concern.

It will be no different than last time - promise everything, think throwing money at a problem will fix it, over spend, under deliver, start an illegal war, maybe promise the school rebuilding program and then spend 60% of the budget without laying a brick. Roll over for the unions, get caught out in a few scandals and have policy driven by a bunch of p1ssheads putting their collective hands up to move a motion at conference.
Add in some Corbynistas stinking out the house - and that is roughly what you will get.
Raynor all she left school with was a baby. Dawn Butler, Dianne Abbott et al it'll be like watching a Carry on film - the promo is available now if you follow the Senedd.

It'll be a right laugh

[Rjk]

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It will be no different than last time - promise everything, think throwing money at a problem will fix it, over spend, under deliver, start an illegal war, maybe promise the school rebuilding program and then spend 60% of the budget without laying a brick. Roll over for the unions, get caught out in a few scandals and have policy driven by a bunch of p1ssheads putting their collective hands up to move a motion at conference.
Add in some Corbynistas stinking out the house - and that is roughly what you will get.
Raynor all she left school with was a baby. Dawn Butler, Dianne Abbott et al it'll be like watching a Carry on film - the promo is available now if you follow the Senedd.

It'll be a right laugh

Alternatively you could stick with the current lot who have made a mess of just about any aspect of life in the UK that you can imagine

[Citizen's Nephew]

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It will be no different than last time - promise everything, think throwing money at a problem will fix it, over spend, under deliver, start an illegal war, maybe promise the school rebuilding program and then spend 60% of the budget without laying a brick. Roll over for the unions, get caught out in a few scandals and have policy driven by a bunch of p1ssheads putting their collective hands up to move a motion at conference.
Add in some Corbynistas stinking out the house - and that is roughly what you will get.
Raynor all she left school with was a baby. Dawn Butler, Dianne Abbott et al it'll be like watching a Carry on film - the promo is available now if you follow the Senedd.

It'll be a right laugh

What a vile post.

[Doucas]

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It will be no different than last time - promise everything, think throwing money at a problem will fix it, over spend, under deliver, start an illegal war, maybe promise the school rebuilding program and then spend 60% of the budget without laying a brick. Roll over for the unions, get caught out in a few scandals and have policy driven by a bunch of p1ssheads putting their collective hands up to move a motion at conference.
Add in some Corbynistas stinking out the house - and that is roughly what you will get.
Raynor all she left school with was a baby. Dawn Butler, Dianne Abbott et al it'll be like watching a Carry on film - the promo is available now if you follow the Senedd.

It'll be a right laugh

I was a kid when Labour were last in charge, they had many flaws and what they did with Iraq/Afghanistan was horrific and I wouldn't have voted for them if I were an adult then. But it's undeniable the country was in a far better state.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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I was a kid when Labour were last in charge, they had many flaws and what they did with Iraq/Afghanistan was horrific and I wouldn't have voted for them if I were an adult then. But it's undeniable the country was in a far better state.

👍🙌

[the other bob wilson]

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It will be no different than last time - promise everything, think throwing money at a problem will fix it, over spend, under deliver, start an illegal war, maybe promise the school rebuilding program and then spend 60% of the budget without laying a brick. Roll over for the unions, get caught out in a few scandals and have policy driven by a bunch of p1ssheads putting their collective hands up to move a motion at conference.
Add in some Corbynistas stinking out the house - and that is roughly what you will get.
Raynor all she left school with was a baby. Dawn Butler, Dianne Abbott et al it'll be like watching a Carry on film - the promo is available now if you follow the Senedd.

It'll be a right laugh

Think you need to go and have a lie down in a darkened room for a while.

[pipster]

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Alternatively you could stick with the current lot who have made a mess of just about any aspect of life in the UK that you can imagine

100% - which is why the choice this lot of idiots or the other lot of idiots on the side of the house. At least UK politivs tends to go around in circles 13 years Tory prior to 13 years Labour.
Or we can have Wales at 26 years Labour ...

[Rjk]

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I was a kid when Labour were last in charge, they had many flaws and what they did with Iraq/Afghanistan was horrific and I wouldn't have voted for them if I were an adult then. But it's undeniable the country was in a far better state.

I didn't support it / understand the need for it at all, but its really strange the amount of flack that the Labour party still gets from the invasion of Iraq.
Yes criticism is absolutely valid, and SHOULD be done, but I don't recall the conservatives opposing it at the time, yet they are not ever criticised for it in the same way.
Also the UK only provided a small percentage of the troops to the conflict and were mostly not active in the most hostile areas and accounted for a far smaller proportion of the casualties compared to the Americans, yet as far as I can tell it isn't really a talking point in US politics any longer (although perhaps they have bigger fish to fry) but I guess that's the way things go in politics, once something is accepted in the public consciousness then that's the way it is.

The americans still seem to be roping us into their strikes in the middle east, it makes you wonder what dirt they have on us

[Doucas]

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I agree with your sentiment but I'm not sure I like the words 'better educated' and would substitute them for 'socially tolerant'. I think the dramatic decline in religion should probably read 'Christianity' but one thing's for sure, Gen Z are the future, and pretty much all views by the majority on this board and 50+ will be moot and redundant over the next decade. This article is referring to USA Gen Zs https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...icans-politics but I've recently been working on a marketing project re. Gen Z and most on this forum would be apoplectic when reading their views. This article is a good one for the older gens to get to grips with just where the future is going. Labour, Cons, and all the political parties at the moment are way out of touch and it's quite frankly disgusting just how much they disregard young adults.

This is quite possibly the first time I won't vote in a GE. I've been done with party politics for quite some time now.

Here's an example which I think will be an eye opener to many older folk on here - https://old.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAte...ies_that_left/

[JamesWales]

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Here's an example which I think will be an eye opener to many older folk on here - https://old.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAte...ies_that_left/

There's much we disagree on and much we agree on, one of which is the severe crisis in housing which disproportionately impacts younger people, although is a major issue for all.

My sister's ex rents a three bed house which he shares with my niece and nephew when they stay with him. The landlord is raising his rent from £750 to £1350. It's an absolute scandal and appalling for him, and by definition anyone connected.

But what policies have the older generation voted for to make people poorer? Perhaps they are more prone to nimbyism, but we also see lots of fresh faced young environmentalists opposing new housing.

The biggest issue is immigration and that's something younger generations seem to support yo the hilt, seemingly unaware of the impact it has on housing. The link to housing and wages was far more stable before immigration soared in the early 2000s. There are though, many many factors. I don't see any of them particularly driven by the older generation though. That argument strikes me as a convenient but unhelpful and divisive sideshow.

[Rjk]

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There's much we disagree on and much we agree on, one of which is the severe crisis in housing which disproportionately impacts younger people, although is a major issue for all.

My sister's ex rents a three bed house which he shares with my niece and nephew when they stay with him. The landlord is raising his rent from £750 to £1350. It's an absolute scandal and appalling for him, and by definition anyone connected.

But what policies have the older generation voted for to make people poorer? Perhaps they are more prone to nimbyism, but we also see lots of fresh faced young environmentalists opposing new housing.

The biggest issue is immigration and that's something younger generations seem to support yo the hilt, seemingly unaware of the impact it has on housing. The link to housing and wages was far more stable before immigration soared in the early 2000s. There are though, many many factors. I don't see any of them particularly driven by the older generation though. That argument strikes me as a convenient but unhelpful and divisive sideshow.

only a small proportion of the rise in housing prices is attributed to immigration, I think it was something like 20% over the last 20 years

[JamesWales]

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only a small proportion of the rise in housing prices is attributed to immigration, I think it was something like 20% over the last 20 years

I don't think anyone would commission a report that would be honest about this topic. It's certainly not all of it, that's true, but it's a far bigger part than anyone in power will admit to.