Heart Disease

[TWGL1]

Re: Heart Disease

You really should let us know what name you were posting under in early 2020 because then we would be able to see how often you were spot on with what you were saying about how the completely new disease which had the experts learning on the job so to speak should have been dealt with.

My recollection is that around this time four years ago there were a rump of posters on here who were forever telling us that Covid was no worse than the flu, that it would not kill as many as it did and it would not reach here anyway - there were others who claimed relatives has contracted Covid months before the first confirmed case here.

Given there were very few alive in 2020 who lived through the Spanish flu epidemic over a century ago, the huge majority of countries in the westernised world at least had not experienced anything like Covid before, so, in those circumstances, there were always going to be mistakes made, glitches discovered and misleading data which would lead to discoveries further down the line as to how the pandemic could have been countered more effectively.

However, throughout most of 2020, the large majority of the population waited for a vaccine to be developed which could begin to turn their lives back towards normality. For myself, I did not expect such a vaccine to be completely free of side effects which would have unfortunate consequences for some who were given it - it was bound to happen, given the pressure to produce something very quickly which would effectively tackle Covid.

As time has gone on, the drawbacks of the vaccine have become clearer and, as a result, that rump of posters I referred to earlier have changed their position. Having had what they were saying at this time four years ago proved to be hopelessly wrong, they've now developed their position to I'm not quite sure what, it's hard to see what the end game is as far as the self professed independent and intelligent thinkers on here are concerned.

One of the aforementioned rump who no longer posts on here used to tell us that all of those who had been given the vaccine would be dead by next year - at least you knew where you stood with him!

I’ve told you many times before regarding my position in respect of your opening sentence and yet you still persist down this dead end. Get over it.

The fact is the average age of a Covid is higher than the average normal death rate is all that needs to be said. I know it’s hard for you to understand data ,but that’s a fact. There are some very interesting articles from a professor of evidence based medicine Carl Hennighan who blows what you say out of the water in respect of IFR rates for people under 60. He’s on Twitter if you’re interested.

I realise that you’re entitled to your own opinions and they are duly noted, but the fact that you’re trying to make out that what I’ve suggested is not open to discussion speaks volumes.

[TWGL1]

Re: Heart Disease

Maybe he has died of COVID?

I think it would have been with Covid if he did

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Heart Disease

I’ve told you many times before regarding my position in respect of your opening sentence and yet you still persist down this dead end. Get over it.

The fact is the average age of a Covid is higher than the average normal death rate is all that needs to be said. I know it’s hard for you to understand data ,but that’s a fact. There are some very interesting articles from a professor of evidence based medicine Carl Hennighan who blows what you say out of the water in respect of IFR rates for people under 60. He’s on Twitter if you’re interested.

I realise that you’re entitled to your own opinions and they are duly noted, but the fact that you’re trying to make out that what I’ve suggested is not open to discussion speaks volumes.

You don't see me getting involved in threads about how Covid is interpreted these days as the experts that independent thinkers deride (unless they say something they agree with) discover the consequences of decisions taken four years ago. What I will get involved in though are discussions where some people make no allowance for what the world was like in early 2020 because of the greatest crisis those of us too young to remember the Second World War had faced in our lifetime.

There is so much we didn't know about Covid back then, but one thing soon got to know was that the average age of those dying was 80 plus. You seize on that as if it was new, game changing, news - it isn't, it was stuff we knew in the spring of 2020. Boris Johnson, apparently, took the view that anyone who'd got beyond their three score years and ten was fair game to Covid, they'd had a decent innings and so they had to accept the hand they were dealt with. You sound as if you believe the same thing and yet who is to say that some eighty plus year olds who died with or from Covid were denied ten to fifteen years of decent quality further life?

Similarly, just because the average age of those who died was eighty two, it doesn't mean everyone who passed away was a pensioner. Neither of the two people living closest to me who passed away because of Covid were that old - one was in his early forties and the other one was sixty two I believe.

[life on mars]

Re: Heart Disease

Covid the greatest crisis pandemic ever .

Not a single person on earth knew what to do or say .

I suspect heart deaths have increased due to lockdown and no early intervention.

Nevertheless let's blame Boris .

Wales had a chance to use nightingale hospitals as early detection units for heart disease etc, not let them lay bare .

Never-ending PPE waste look on John Pye South Wales Auctions to see the Welsh waste.

No wonder Welsh Labour avoided an inquiry.

Yes we can all be clever after the fact but to bleat on about Boris is pathetic, blinkered and not well investigated, the opposition, unreliable scientists and media boxed the government in and created a shit storm of confusion, and wrong decisions , and everyone forgets Sir Kiers and Europes negative approach to the vaccine funding and roll out ..

Covid or Covid related deaths is 81 to 83 which is close to natural death.

It was wrongly reported and remains so.

I know of no one who was of decent health and lifestyle dying

[lardy]

Re: Heart Disease

Covid the greatest crisis pandemic ever .

Not a single person on earth knew what to do or say .

I suspect heart deaths have increased due to lockdown and no early intervention.

Nevertheless let's blame Boris .

Wales had a chance to use nightingale hospitals as early detection units for heart disease etc, not let them lay bare .

Never-ending PPE waste look on John Pye South Wales Auctions to see the Welsh waste.

No wonder Welsh Labour avoided an inquiry.

Yes we can all be clever after the fact but to bleat on about Boris is pathetic, blinkered and not well investigated, the opposition, unreliable scientists and media boxed the government in and created a shit storm of confusion, and wrong decisions , and everyone forgets Sir Kiers and Europes negative approach to the vaccine funding and roll out ..

Covid or Covid related deaths is 81 to 83 which is close to natural death.

It was wrongly reported and remains so.

I know of no one who was of decent health and lifestyle dying

The measures were about preventing hospitals from being over run and avoiding a shortage of ventilators. It wasn't just about death. It was understood very early on that COVID was a highly infectious but not highly fatal virus.

[lardy]

Re: Heart Disease

Just had a quick look on here, and this is RJK saying the same back in March 2020. It's very boring having the same conversation year-in year-out.

What we have seen is a lot of older people require hospital treatment for this, and some will die.
When the hospital capacity is overwhelmed in an area the death rate grows sharply (and there is also probably a knock on effect on unrelated illness not being able to access healthcare). Therefore by taking action to slow the spread of the disease you can save many lives. Even if the same number of people get it in the end, if you slow the spread so hospitals aren't overrun there are much better outcomes

[goats]

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I wrongly assumed by your post when you said “us” that you were referring to yourself, but am happy to be corrected, and knowing that the average age of a Covid death was 82.5 ( with all the testing anomalies) there was hardly any risk to fit and healthy gym users, however , fast forward to now and keeping fast food establishments open was not the best option in comparison.

Who knows, perhaps the diet, obesity and alcohol availability combined had something to do with recovery rates and severity of flu and other illnesses similar.

Nevermind gyms the madness of closing schools, lots of kids got lazy and fat during that time. In my day there was probably one fat kid in the school, now there will be several in one class…..

[TWGL1]

Re: Heart Disease

The measures were about preventing hospitals from being over run and avoiding a shortage of ventilators. It wasn't just about death. It was understood very early on that COVID was a highly infectious but not highly fatal virus.

The fact that you have mentioned ventilators shows once again how little you know about what this tread is about.

I almost feel sorry for you at times , bless.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Heart Disease

A thread with the headline 'Heart Disease' quickly becomes yet another political Punch and Judy thread. No surprises there - but it's rather tiresome.

[Heathblue]

Re: Heart Disease

The easiest way of reconsiling this thread is to say, "those who died of heart disease with the vaccine rather those who died with heart disease because of the vaccine, a fair balance isn't it?. Dem are the rules.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Heart Disease

The easiest way of reconsiling this thread is to say, "those who died of heart disease with the vaccine rather those who died with heart disease because of the vaccine, a fair balance isn't it?. Dem are the rules.

Just how many more vax threads do we need? The subject is recycled on here ad infinitum - and if there is any new information to be gleaned, why not put it on one of the great many threads already dedicated to the vax debate?

[Heathblue]

Re: Heart Disease

Just how many more vax threads do we need? The subject is recycled on here ad infinitum - and if there is any new information to be gleaned, why not put it on one of the great many threads already dedicated to the vax debate?

As many as it takes to keep rubbing the noses of the Vaccines disciples who called those of us out who dared to question the safety and efficacy of the shots, there's your answer 👍

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Heart Disease

As many as it takes to keep rubbing the noses of the Vaccines disciples who called those of us out who dared to question the safety and efficacy of the shots, there's your answer ��

Yawn.

[Heathblue]

Re: Heart Disease

Yawn.

But you responded because you cannot help yourself
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[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Heart Disease

But you responded because you cannot help yourself
Castle Red
N. C. S. W. I. C
Dark to Light
Trust the plan
"Q"

What a twisted logic you have.