Diseases from history books making a return.

[the other bob wilson]

Unbelievable and shocking. More than the population of Wales are destitute in the Uk.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/starmer-slams-shocking-rise-in-victorian-era-diseases/

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

A thinly veiled vote for Sir Keir and everything will be alright post NQAT!

Sorry, I couldn't resist the urge

[JamesWales]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

Would be interesting to see a break down of the figures to try and tackle the reasons.

It's very worrying, but one thing that doesn't help is patronising comments from the bloke in the video, who clearly knows about public health but perhaps less about working class life.

"If you are on benefits or universal credit we guarantee you will get sick". Patronising hogwash. My kids mum is on universal credit. Millions of hardworking families are and their kids don't get rickets and the like. Such extreme comments don't help solve the problem at all IMO.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

A thinly veiled vote for Sir Keir and everything will be alright post NQAT!

Sorry, I couldn't resist the urge

You don’t think there’s something to be worried about that diseases I learned about in school, diseases that were not around in my youth, are making a comeback or that the average five year old UK child is over two and a half inches shorter than their Dutch counterparts then?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12216763/British-five-year-olds-average-seven-inches-shorter-Dutch-counterparts.html

No, you probably don’t because it’s too mundane for your tastes I suppose - nothing you can blame big pharma for.

One other thing, you won’t see many vote for Sir Keir posts from me, just plenty plenty of don’t vote Sunak ones.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

You don’t think there’s something to be worried about that diseases I learned about in school, diseases that were not around in my youth, are making a comeback or that the average five year old UK child is over two and a half inches shorter than their Dutch counterparts then?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12216763/British-five-year-olds-average-seven-inches-shorter-Dutch-counterparts.html

No, you probably don’t because it’s too mundane for your tastes I suppose - nothing you can blame big pharma for.

One other thing, you won’t see many vote for Sir Keir posts from me, just plenty plenty of don’t vote Sunak ones.

I've met a lot of Dutch people, they are very tall!

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

I've met a lot of Dutch people, they are very tall!

Congratulations, you’ve just repeated practically verbatim what someone who posts responses to the Daily Mail said - another one for your bucket list!

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

Congratulations, you’ve just repeated practically verbatim what someone who posts responses to the Daily Mail said - another one for your bucket list!

They really are mostly tall, I have met them and saw it with my own eyes!

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

They really are mostly tall, I have met them and saw it with my own eyes!

Forget the Dutch then, what about France and Germany, one country we’re keeping down with is our special relationship partners mind.

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-06-21/british-children-shorter-than-other-five-year-olds-in-europe

[JamesWales]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

I'm not sure why the Dutch are so tall, but I think they always have been haven't they? Dutch and Scandinavians. Must be diet related, but they are clearly taller than their French and German neighbours too, so something is going on.

Probably impacted by Immigration too. The top three non Dutch national backgrounds in Netherlands are Turks, Moroccans and Surinamese, the average height for them being 169.1cm, 168.8cm and 168.4cm. In UK it's Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi, the average height for them being 170.8cm, 161cm and 158.7cm according to Wikipedia anyway.

Obviously over time this changes, but it would likely take a few generations.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

I'm not sure why the Dutch are so tall, but I think they always have been haven't they? Dutch and Scandinavians. Must be diet related, but they are clearly taller than their French and German neighbours too, so something is going on.

Probably impacted by Immigration too. The top three non Dutch national backgrounds in Netherlands are Turks, Moroccans and Surinamese, the average height for them being 169.1cm, 168.8cm and 168.4cm. In UK it's Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi, the average height for them being 170.8cm, 161cm and 158.7cm according to Wikipedia anyway.

Obviously over time this changes, but it would likely take a few generations.

It's great, I could have posted links from many publications that mentioned the study, but chose the Daily Mail because I thought it best to use something which is a polar opposite from my opinions in so many ways - I wish I hadn't bothered. The Mail didn't do anything wrong in this case except that they happened to mention the Netherlands in their story and so the opportunity was given to divert the story to a discussion about why are Dutch people so tall, whereas, you'd think that in the UK, it would be why are British five years old so small and why are do they seem to be getting smaller? Similarly, you choose to pick out one thing from the video I posted to attack the professor who was being interviewed, rather than address the comeback of diseases which were considered to be relics from a bygone age twenty years ago.

If a nation's children are getting smaller by comparison to other countries and are less tall now than they were in the recent past, while diseases associated with poor diet which have been dormant for decades make a comeback, isn't it reasonable to assume that it may have something to do with a decline in the quality of the food we eat? There's a political argument to be had as to whether this is because the poorest cannot afford to buy food of sufficient quality or whether many act out of choice and are preferring lower quality, convenience foods, but it seems pretty clear that the UK is paying a price for poor diet - not just in terms of the "usual suspects" like heart disease and diabetes, but also in ways no one would have predicted before the turn of the century.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

It's great, I could have posted links from many publications that mentioned the study, but chose the Daily Mail because I thought it best to use something which is a polar opposite from my opinions in so many ways - I wish I hadn't bothered. The Mail didn't do anything wrong in this case except that they happened to mention the Netherlands in their story and so the opportunity was given to divert the story to a discussion about why are Dutch people so tall, whereas, you'd think that in the UK, it would be why are British five years old so small and why are do they seem to be getting smaller? Similarly, you choose to pick out one thing from the video I posted to attack the professor who was being interviewed, rather than address the comeback of diseases which were considered to be relics from a bygone age twenty years ago.

If a nation's children are getting smaller by comparison to other countries and are less tall now than they were in the recent past, while diseases associated with poor diet which have been dormant for decades make a comeback, isn't it reasonable to assume that it may have something to do with a decline in the quality of the food we eat? There's a political argument to be had as to whether this is because the poorest cannot afford to buy food of sufficient quality or whether many act out of choice and are preferring lower quality, convenience foods, but it seems pretty clear that the UK is paying a price for poor diet - not just in terms of the "usual suspects" like heart disease and diabetes, but also in ways no one would have predicted before the turn of the century.

Fab post Bob!

[Jordi Culé]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

They really are mostly tall, I have met them and saw it with my own eyes!

Were they wearing clogs? There's a decent heel on clogs so can make them look taller.

[JamesWales]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

It's great, I could have posted links from many publications that mentioned the study, but chose the Daily Mail because I thought it best to use something which is a polar opposite from my opinions in so many ways - I wish I hadn't bothered. The Mail didn't do anything wrong in this case except that they happened to mention the Netherlands in their story and so the opportunity was given to divert the story to a discussion about why are Dutch people so tall, whereas, you'd think that in the UK, it would be why are British five years old so small and why are do they seem to be getting smaller? Similarly, you choose to pick out one thing from the video I posted to attack the professor who was being interviewed, rather than address the comeback of diseases which were considered to be relics from a bygone age twenty years ago.

If a nation's children are getting smaller by comparison to other countries and are less tall now than they were in the recent past, while diseases associated with poor diet which have been dormant for decades make a comeback, isn't it reasonable to assume that it may have something to do with a decline in the quality of the food we eat? There's a political argument to be had as to whether this is because the poorest cannot afford to buy food of sufficient quality or whether many act out of choice and are preferring lower quality, convenience foods, but it seems pretty clear that the UK is paying a price for poor diet - not just in terms of the "usual suspects" like heart disease and diabetes, but also in ways no one would have predicted before the turn of the century.

Indeed, but what I'm saying is that there could also be another clear issue that the authors or media do not mention. As with most things, it's very likely a combination of many factors.

I think diets in the UK are pretty shit to be honest. I also think our general level of exercise is poor and most social changes, whether it be internet shopping to working from home are likely to make us less and less healthy, physically and mentally.

[Heathblue]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

Unbelievable and
shocking. More than the population of Wales are destitute in the Uk.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/starmer-slams-shocking-rise-in-victorian-era-diseases/

How many years of a Welsh Labour government has it taken to achieve this?

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Diseases from history books making a return.

How many years of a Welsh Labour government has it taken to achieve this?

I’m not sure if all the destitute Brits are to be found in Wales.