In recession.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: In recession.

That doesn't help, Sludge.

In response to a post on Sunak missing 4 of his 5 'judge me and my party' pledges, the poster now known as NinianOpinion1927 came back with Norman Lamont on lower public sector than private sector productivity (idle nurses and care workers?), and accused me of somehow 'bashing European nationalists'!

It was a 'Wibble' moment!

Total gobbledegook!

Although I suppose when it comes to a discussion about economic competence and public reaction to the lack of it, bringing Lamont in does add something. Even if that is by going off on the biggest and least relevant tangent possible.

Anyway, Black Wednesday.

European Nationalists ........think the blackshirts

[JamesWales]

Re: In recession.

This oh I am not a tory claim you made and often make is complete nonsense as this thread clearly shows

You just can't help yourself , sticking up for them relentlessly

But you are not a tory ........yeah OK if you say so 😂

I just like facts Sludge.

If you say Manchester United play at Anfield, and I say they play at Old Trafford, that doesn't make me a Man United fan.

You don't solve problems by making up the cause of them. In reality, the opposite is true.

[Doucas]

Re: In recession.

Several other countries in recession too

Yes but in most countries they haven't suffered from austerity for 14 years in addition to brexit and actually investing in infrustructure/people so we suffer more than most.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: In recession.

It’s all a bit confusing isn’t it. In January 2023 Sunak made five pledges that he said we could blame him about if they were not achieved. Around this time last year, it was being said that one of the pledges was a dead cert - inflation was going to half because the rises in energy prices in autumn 2022 were going to go out of the equation thereby bringing in the fall of inflation Sunak wanted. The PM has been crowing about having halved inflation for the last few months, so he, obviously, wanted that one of his pledges to be taken seriously, yet when another of his pledges goes completely wrong as the economy officially shrinks rather than grows, the familiar faces are on here saying it’s not that important, plenty of countries are in recession, yet the PM they rush to defend said himself that he should carry the can if the economy wasn’t growing.

[The Bloop]

Re: In recession.

How many of his 5 pledges has he met?
Just halving inflation isn't it,although claiming that as his own when he blames the initial increases on outside factors is a bit of a stretch.
Reducing boat crossings possibly, although it has been shown that bad weather was a factor, despite James Cleverly's claims it didn't.

[Gofer Blue]

Re: In recession.

I had high hopes that your Christian, caring side would realise what a bunch of tossers the Tories are but you remain one of those strange people that walk into a food bank to contribute but seem blind to the fact voting tory is the reason they are there

Do you seriously think that I don't ask why people need to go to food banks?! As a Christian my role is to help the needy regardless of the cause of their condition.

Like others have said, I don't see how we can expect or need to have "growth" year on year.

[Gofer Blue]

Re: In recession.

Do you seriously think that I don't ask why people need to go to food banks?! As a Christian my role is to help the needy regardless of the cause of their condition.

Like others have said, I don't see how we can expect or need to have "growth" year on year.

Growth means we are expected to buy more and more "stuff" every year to create demand. That's unsustainable and poor stewardship of the world' resources.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: In recession.

Do you seriously think that I don't ask why people need to go to food banks?! As a Christian my role is to help the needy regardless of the cause of their condition.

Like others have said, I don't see how we can expect or need to have "growth" year on year.

I am constantly amazed that someone who has values of caring for others can vote conservative

Can't you see the irony ?

[NinianOpinion1927]

Re: In recession.

That doesn't help, Sludge.

In response to a post on Sunak missing 4 of his 5 'judge me and my party' pledges, the poster now known as NinianOpinion1927 came back with Norman Lamont on lower public sector than private sector productivity (idle nurses and care workers?), and accused me of somehow 'bashing European nationalists'!

It was a 'Wibble' moment!

Total gobbledegook!

Although I suppose when it comes to a discussion about economic competence and public reaction to the lack of it, bringing Lamont in does add something. Even if that is by going off on the biggest and least relevant tangent possible.

Anyway, Black Wednesday.

Jon, i was referencing a recent thread where you attempted mental gymnastics to defend that Labour candidate and summarised by implying the real enemy was white Nationlists even though the protagonist was Asian and the target of his thoughts was Jewish. Not sure what fascism or white people had to do with it. Although you didn't explicitly use the word white, that's what you was getting at, read it yourself.

As for Normon Lamont, productivity in the public sector hasn't recovered since covid yet it has recovered in the private sector. This lag has in part caused the recession and contradicts your view in another thread where you and Doucas claimed the public sector had higher productivity, using some study on the NHS as your example.

[NinianOpinion1927]

Re: In recession.

That doesn't help, Sludge.

In response to a post on Sunak missing 4 of his 5 'judge me and my party' pledges, the poster now known as NinianOpinion1927 came back with Norman Lamont on lower public sector than private sector productivity (idle nurses and care workers?), and accused me of somehow 'bashing European nationalists'!

It was a 'Wibble' moment!

Total gobbledegook!

Although I suppose when it comes to a discussion about economic competence and public reaction to the lack of it, bringing Lamont in does add something. Even if that is by going off on the biggest and least relevant tangent possible.

Anyway, Black Wednesday.

Wasn't Black Wednesday when George Soros and his mates devalued our currency and made a killing? Or was that another occasion? Yet you want to imply it was Lamont's incompetence

[jon1959]

Re: In recession.

Jon, i was referencing a recent thread where you attempted mental gymnastics to defend that Labour candidate and summarised by implying the real enemy was white Nationlists even though the protagonist was Asian and the target of his thoughts was Jewish. Not sure what fascism or white people had to do with it. Although you didn't explicitly use the word white, that's what you was getting at, read it yourself.

As for Normon Lamont, productivity in the public sector hasn't recovered since covid yet it has recovered in the private sector. This lag has in part caused the recession and contradicts your view in another thread where you and Doucas claimed the public sector had higher productivity, using some study on the NHS as your example.

Bloody hell!

Are you referring to my post where I did anything but defend the Labour candidate. I said he should have been dumped earlier.

I did point out that the Israeli government had had intelligence of the Hamas attack more than a year in advance (and again more recently) but didn't believe Hamas had the capability to carry out the attack - so the conspiracy theories were wild and unjustified. I also referred to a history of recent provocations by Israeli settlers and the government - trying to draw a reaction of some kind they could use - and pointed out the presence in the Israeli government of fascists. I didn't mention 'white nationalism'.

I honestly do not remember any post I (or Doucas) made claiming the public sector had higher productivity than the private sector - wit or without the NHS. But if I did, what relevance does that have to the thread or the post you replied to? Answer - none!

[jon1959]

Re: In recession.

Wasn't Black Wednesday when George Soros and his mates devalued our currency and made a killing? Or was that another occasion? Yet you want to imply it was Lamont's incompetence

Yes - happy to imply (no, not imply - claim) the Black Wednesday melt down was the responsibility of the Chancellor of the Exchequer at the time.

That was Nigel Lamont not George Soros. Look it up.

[Gofer Blue]

Re: In recession.

I am constantly amazed that someone who has values of caring for others can vote conservative

Can't you see the irony ?

What a ridiculously gross generalisation!

In my lifetime I have voted Conservative, Labour, Liberal (before they became the Liberal Democrats) and Green Party, depending on who I thought had the best policies at the time. This time, so far, I would be classified as undecided as I have no idea at the moment. Yes the Conservatives have really made a mess but I don't see any incredible salvation coming our way from Labour. If they do get a working majority in the 2024 election I think they will constantly play the "look at the mess we inherited" card to explain why they are not able to fix things quite as easily/quickly as Joe Public will expect. It's very easy to criticise when in opposition!

[NinianOpinion1927]

Re: In recession.

Nigel Lawson or Norman Lamont.
I know Soros devalued our currency causing chaos, making a fortune, and damaging our economy in the 80s. Not sure if it was black Wednesday or not.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: In recession.

Some incredible claims being made in this thread as to the causes of this latest recession - a link backing up the claims would have been handy.