Police Surveillance

[Citizen's Nephew]

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See my reply in the Nostalgia thread...unless it's been moved....in which case it could be anywhere.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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See my reply in the Nostalgia thread...unless it's been moved....in which case it could be anywhere.

The Police moved it, I'm sure

[Citizen's Nephew]

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The Police moved it, I'm sure

Nothing to see here.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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China has for many years kept a high level of control over its citizens, people are supposed to inform the police if they travel to a different city - cameras monitor where cars are moving about etc
And they did implement some very strict covid measures.

However I don't recognise some of the statements above at all
"most chinese people are living in 15 minute cities" that seems like total bollocks to me, having recently been there for work.

Unless by 15 minute cities you mean that most people live within 15 minutes of all the amenities that they are likely to need - which is true of almost anyone living in big cities.

This documentary on China's use of AI in surveillance is interesting but depressing.

[Rjk]

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This documentary on China's use of AI in surveillance is interesting but depressing.

which documentary?

[JamesWales]

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OK, so this post isn't directly football-related but I wanted more people to read it than the small number of conspiracy posters on the Alternative Forum - and in this case I believe that there is indeed something to be concerned about regarding Police surveillance.

Leaving Cardiff Central yesterday, I saw a clutch of several hundred demonstrators protesting about the situation in Palestine. The protestors were on the paved area outside the station but about 30 to 40 yards away from where passengers would spill out from the station entrance (which was closed off probably due to the demonstration and were were all herded to the rear exit on arrival).

I walked past the demonstration and decided to observe it from about 15 to 20 metres away and in an area where no-one was standing. I was clearly not actively involved in the stationary demo. To my left and about 10 years away was a policeman filming the demo, with the camera being pointed in the same way as I was looking.
He suddenly caught sight of me observing him out of the corner of his eye and turned the camera 90 degrees to his right and was obviously filming me.

I'm someone who isn't anti-Police and law-abiding but I considered his actions to be intrusive, invasive and the actions of a Police State.

I approached him and asked him assertively as to why he was filming me and he just kept saying, sneeringly, that he was entitled to do so - whereupon a very tall policeman stood directly in front of me as a buffer.

For my part, I think it's akin to Putin's Russia and have made a formal complaint to the Police, not that it will do a lot of good.

Good on you for complaining, although I suspect it won't get you far, if nothing else, if you were unhappy with their attitude it is worth an email.

FWIW I would feel the same. I do think given the real and perceived threat from some marches it is reasonable to film those surrounding the event for a short period. For example, you may have been planning an attack on them, or they you at this or a future event. So recording who generally is present seems reasonable. But that takes seconds. Perpetually recording you sounds over the top and I also would have been annoyed and I like to think my response would have been the same.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Good on you for complaining, although I suspect it won't get you far, if nothing else, if you were unhappy with their attitude it is worth an email.

FWIW I would feel the same. I do think given the real and perceived threat from some marches it is reasonable to film those surrounding the event for a short period. For example, you may have been planning an attack on them, or they you at this or a future event. So recording who generally is present seems reasonable. But that takes seconds. Perpetually recording you sounds over the top and I also would have been annoyed and I like to think my response would have been the same.

I have received a response from the Police and stating that they would be investigating the matter officially.

[truthpaste]

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I have received a response from the Police and stating that they would be investigating the matter officially.

That's good. Let us know how that goes.
A Chinese young man in Cardiff gave me some details on their citizen score system back home together with their 'uber' equivalent app in China which moniters your conversation with the driver. If you or the driver venture into conversation that's unwanted by the government, then you immediately receive a verbal interjection via the app, and your scores are marked down accordingly.

[Dembe]

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I wouldn't worry about Police doing their jobs, have a quick google search for "pimeyes".
Will find any image of any person searched, as long as its been uploaded to the internet...

Anyone looked into this app yet?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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It seems that the written complaint I made to the Police (and which both parties have access to) has taken a new turn - in that the they have copied me into their internal report in which they summed up my complaint with a false synopsis i.e. they stated that I considered the filming of the protest illegal, which I never stated.
As my complaint is in black and white and wasn't verbal at any stage I'll await with interest their response to me challenging them on that false statement.

[truthpaste]

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It seems that the written complaint I made to the Police (and which both parties have access to) has taken a new turn - in that the they have copied me into their internal report in which they summed up my complaint with a false synopsis i.e. they stated that I considered the filming of the protest illegal, which I never stated.
As my complaint is in black and white and wasn't verbal at any stage I'll await with interest their response to me challenging them on that false statement.

Their attempt to manipulate your words speaks volumes, shades of South Yorkshire Police.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Their attempt to manipulate your words speaks volumes, shades of South Yorkshire Police.

Irony alert.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Irony alert.

Michael Gove will now place all Genies on the new extremist list. No matter their colour or place of residence. You’ve poked the hornets nest TBG.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Is this the right thread this time nurse?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Michael Gove will now place all Genies on the new extremist list. No matter their colour or place of residence. You’ve poked the hornets nest TBG.

Howdy, old fruit. I'm having a battle with a semi-illiterate Police investigator who can't construct a sentence properly and who refuses to refer to my original complain rather than the fabricated and incorrect one that one of his colleagues submitted to him. It's a bloody circus. I have therefore demanded that the complaint go to an ombudsman or similar - as the Police effectively investigated (and have now dismissed) their own fabricated version. He has refused to accept a second complaint about the latter but I'm not letting that go either.

You couldn't make it but...... but they do, apparently.