Assisted dying

[JamesWales]

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Good post. Very well argued.

I agree. Thanks for posting it

[Gofer Blue]

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Good post. Very well argued.

Thank you.

As you can probably tell it's something that I am passionate about. Whilst I would never pressurise someone else into considering assisted dying, it's something that I would want for myself, if, God forbid, that I should ever need it. Meanwhile praying that I'll go to sleep one night and not get up in the morning! Being confined in a nursing home and being kept alive for no purpose for the rest of my life would be a living hell.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Thank you.

As you can probably tell it's something that I am passionate about. Whilst I would never pressurise someone else into considering assisted dying, it's something that I would want for myself, if, God forbid, that I should ever need it. Meanwhile praying that I'll go to sleep one night and not get up in the morning! Being confined in a nursing home and being kept alive for no purpose for the rest of my life would be a living hell.

Not wanting to get embroiled in another discussion about religion, I won't mention that it seems curious as to how one person's prayers would be answered in those circumstances and another person's ignored. However, let's move on

[Gofer Blue]

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Not wanting to get embroiled in another discussion about religion, I won't mention that it seems curious as to how one person's prayers would be answered in those circumstances and another person's ignored. However, let's move on

I am a Baptist so I have a special hot line.

[truthpaste]

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Not wanting to get embroiled in another discussion about religion, I won't mention that it seems curious as to how one person's prayers would be answered in those circumstances and another person's ignored. However, let's move on

All prayer is answered, but only the fool thinks he can always over-rule God's WILL, with all of his/ her requests.

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

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Not wanting to get embroiled in another discussion about religion, I won't mention that it seems curious as to how one person's prayers would be answered in those circumstances and another person's ignored. However, let's move on

I remember a headline in the satirical online newspaper, The Onion "God answers little girl's prayers - 'No' says god" 😂

[truthpaste]

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I remember a headline in the satirical online newspaper, The Onion "God answers little girl's prayers - 'No' says god" ��

I've just found that story and it's obviously constructed for the benefit of readers who would rather God didn't exist.

Many scientific studies have been conducted re Prayer over the years, this is one such example:-

In 1988, the third study, published in the Southern Medical Journal, yielded strikingly positive results, at least in some measures of patient outcomes (although not overall). Dr. Randolph Byrd, a cardiologist, oversaw a double-blind study of intercessory prayer in which 393 coronary-care-unit (CCU) patients agreed to participate. “Born-again” intercessors were given a prayer script to guide prayers, and each intercessor was given an assigned patient's first name, diagnosis, and general condition. Intercessors prayed for the quick recovery, prevention of complications and death, and any other areas that they felt might be useful to their assigned patients. “No one—not patients, staff, or Byrd—knew who was being prayed for and who wasn't. Byrd found that patients who were the subjects of prayer … needed fewer antibiotics, experienced a lower percentage of congestive heart failure, and were less likely to develop pneumonia. [After analyzing the data, Byrd] concluded that ‘intercessory prayer to the Judeo-Christian God has a beneficial therapeutic effect in patients admitted to the CCU.’”

Article:NLM provides access to scientific literature.

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

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I've just found that story and it's obviously constructed for the benefit of readers who would rather God didn't exist.

Many scientific studies have been conducted re Prayer over the years, this is one such example:-

In 1988, the third study, published in the Southern Medical Journal, yielded strikingly positive results, at least in some measures of patient outcomes (although not overall). Dr. Randolph Byrd, a cardiologist, oversaw a double-blind study of intercessory prayer in which 393 coronary-care-unit (CCU) patients agreed to participate. “Born-again” intercessors were given a prayer script to guide prayers, and each intercessor was given an assigned patient's first name, diagnosis, and general condition. Intercessors prayed for the quick recovery, prevention of complications and death, and any other areas that they felt might be useful to their assigned patients. “No one—not patients, staff, or Byrd—knew who was being prayed for and who wasn't. Byrd found that patients who were the subjects of prayer … needed fewer antibiotics, experienced a lower percentage of congestive heart failure, and were less likely to develop pneumonia. [After analyzing the data, Byrd] concluded that ‘intercessory prayer to the Judeo-Christian God has a beneficial therapeutic effect in patients admitted to the CCU.’”

Article:NLM provides access to scientific literature.

This study shows that prayers have what is effectively a placebo effect. It did not claim that prayers worked in the sense you imply. Nor could it of course because praying to a non-existent entity is never likely to succeed.

[truthpaste]

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This study shows that prayers have what is effectively a placebo effect. It did not claim that prayers worked in the sense you imply. Nor could it of course because praying to a non-existent entity is never likely to succeed.

When did I imply anything in the above post?

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

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When did I imply anything in the above post?

Everything you write has the implication that god exists. You don't really have much else to offer.

[truthpaste]

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Everything you write has the implication that god exists. You don't really have much else to offer.

The issue was about a scientific experiment that verified that prayer had some measure of impact on the patients who were prayed for. That may not be helpful for you, after deciding that God doesn't exist, but there it is.
Yet having made a false allegation about my previous post, you've now switched subject to the existence of God!

If you'd like to make a case for Life and the Universe existing WITHOUT the need for an Almighty & Intelligent Being then go right ahead, you will be the first in history to do that...

.....but don't let that stop you.....

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

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The issue was about a scientific experiment that verified that prayer had some measure of impact on the patients who were prayed for. That may not be helpful for you, after deciding that God doesn't exist, but there it is.
Yet having made a false allegation about my previous post, you've now switched subject to the existence of God!

If you'd like to make a case for Life and the Universe existing WITHOUT the need for an Almighty & Intelligent Being then go right ahead, you will be the first in history to do that...

.....but don't let that stop you.....

As I've said to you many times, I'm not making the case for anything, other than pointing out the faults in your continued posting of information which you seem to believe prove God exists. Which of course it doesn't. In this case, for example, you have quoted a study which shows that praying can have a positive effect on health. And, as is your habit, you then make the enormous and unproven leap to claim that it shows that God exists. It doesn't. It proves, that in some cases, praying has a positive effect on health.

[Gofer Blue]

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As I've said to you many times, I'm not making the case for anything, other than pointing out the faults in your continued posting of information which you seem to believe prove God exists. Which of course it doesn't. In this case, for example, you have quoted a study which shows that praying can have a positive effect on health. And, as is your habit, you then make the enormous and unproven leap to claim that it shows that God exists. It doesn't. It proves, that in some cases, praying has a positive effect on health.

Yes but in this case, unless I've got it wrong, it wasn't the people who were ill who did the praying?

[truthpaste]

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Yes but in this case, unless I've got it wrong, it wasn't the people who were ill who did the praying?

Correct. And the people praying for them didn't even know them, they were just given their names and their medical status.

[truthpaste]

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As I've said to you many times, I'm not making the case for anything.....

Yes you are! You are making the case that anyone who dares to even suggest there may be a divine being (that we are all accountable to - and this is the crux of the matter), is obviously poorly informed because you've decided there is no God; even though there is more than enough evidence to suggest otherwise (see Gofer's comments too above), you yourself don't have any proof of....

1. how humanity has come into existance

2. why we are all here and

3. what happens in the future.