"Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

[truthpaste]

Sludge has put into words the feelings of a number of people who are active across CCMB.

Can this statement be verified or is it an unsubstantiated swipe at God, the Bible and people who have placed their trust in Him? :sherlock:

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

Sludge has put into words the feelings of a number of people who are active across CCMB.

Can this statement be verified or is it an unsubstantiated swipe at God, the Bible and people who have placed their trust in Him? :sherlock:

Christians go on and on about God being present in their lives

That they have spoken to him

That their prayers for their friend or wife or dog have been answered

That they have witnessed miracles

Then they need to provide factual evidence .......film recordings , video , photos .....to prove these things have happened or are happening

It's 2024 now

Plenty of time for god and the Christians to get up to date with technology

If I tell a Christian that if he eats soap he will be sick I can prove that

Science tells us that if a human being eats a detergent he will vomit



I want a Christian to prove to me that God exists in a way that is measurable.......

Christians cannot do this

Their opinion or belief is fine but it cannot better scientific fact

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

Just what we need. Another God thread :shrug:

[truthpaste]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

Just what we need. Another God thread :shrug:

1. There's more than enough God-free threads to keep you amused if you really wanted to engage numerous threads that were not going to challenge your world view.

2. Also there are many threads that glorify other gods like power, money and avarice with no complaints at all?

[jon1959]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

1. There's more than enough God-free threads to keep you amused if you really wanted to engage numerous threads that were not going to challenge your world view.

2. Also there are many threads that glorify other gods like power, money and avarice with no complaints at all?

1. FFS do we now have to see this board's threads through the warped prism of 'God' and 'non God'? I have only just accepted the choices of 'Forum' and 'alt Forum'. Maybe you and Gofer can have your own sub-board where you can quote extracts from an old compendium of mis-translations to each other to your heart's content? :thumbup:

2. And I'm sure from my decades of indoctrination that avarice is a 'deadly sin', not a god. Very poor from you truthpaste - that is worth a few centuries more in purgatory! :thumbup:

[truthpaste]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

1. FFS do we now have to see this board's threads through the warped prism of 'God' and 'non God'? I have only just accepted the choices of 'Forum' and 'alt Forum'. Maybe you and Gofer can have your own sub-board where you can quote extracts from an old compendium of mis-translations to each other to your heart's content? :thumbup:

2. And I'm sure from my decades of indoctrination that avarice is a 'deadly sin', not a god. Very poor from you truthpaste - that is worth a few centuries more in purgatory! :thumbup:

As expected, but don't panic, a Guardian only section is starting on 1st June :thumbup:

[jon1959]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

As expected, but don't panic, a Guardian only section is starting on 1st June :thumbup:

The Guardian is in love with Tony Blair but is a bit embarrassed by Benjamin Netanyahu. It has led the UK political misinformation campaign of the past 10 years, and silenced some of it's best staff reporters and cartoonists. A paper that (since the departure of Alan Rusbridger) I disagree with more than agree.

But it has in recent times given space to some people with alternative views, experiences or insights - and those I sometimes share with you to help your education. Don't thank me - it is just a little kindness I do now and then.

Despite its' many faults it is a better source of information and opinion than the sources you seem to rely on - the ones you advertise and the ones you don't.

Glad that is cleared up. :thumbup:

[truthpaste]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

But it has in recent times given space to some people with alternative views, experiences or insights - and those I sometimes share with you to help your education. Don't thank me - it is just a little kindness I do now and then.

Despite its' many faults it is a better source of information and opinion than the sources you seem to rely on - the ones you advertise and the ones you don't.
Glad that is cleared up. :thumbup:

On the last point, I always place a link with any articles I have quoted, there may be the odd exception over the years but anyone can cut and paste phrases into Google anyway and that will take them directly to the source, not rocket science.

Your 'kindness' is always appreciated and comes with the territory :hehe:

As for your 'better' source of information - hold on to that thought, The Guardian will feature again, very soon.

[truthpaste]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

Christians go on and on about God being present in their lives

That they have spoken to him

That their prayers for their friend or wife or dog have been answered

That they have witnessed miracles

Then they need to provide factual evidence .......film recordings , video , photos .....to prove these things have happened or are happening

It's 2024 now

Plenty of time for god and the Christians to get up to date with technology

If I tell a Christian that if he eats soap he will be sick I can prove that

Science tells us that if a human being eats a detergent he will vomit



I want a Christian to prove to me that God exists in a way that is measurable.......

Christians cannot do this

Their opinion or belief is fine but it cannot better scientific fact

Thanks for the update, we can all set our online Calendars to the current year :thumbup:

If the deepest and most beneficial thoughts in life came from lighting a piece of paper, knowing that Castrol GTX isn't the best oil for cooking chips or that Persil Liquid doesn't make the best cocktail for the wife, then your chosen replacement for God (being science) would be a shoe-in for everyone!

Thankfully most of us are looking for bigger answers to bigger questions; so before we look at God's Word verses Man's recorded words (in science, philosophy etc) in the areas we ALL can understand, are you still convinced that science alone provides any decent answers to life's biggest questions? Or maybe like some people, you are just apathetic, and you don't care? It would be good to know your thoughts on this before we begin?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

Thanks for the update, we can all set our online Calendars to the current year :thumbup:

If the deepest and most beneficial thoughts in life came from lighting a piece of paper, knowing that Castrol GTX isn't the best oil for cooking chips or that Persil Liquid doesn't make the best cocktail for the wife, then your chosen replacement for God (being science) would be a shoe-in for everyone!

Thankfully most of us are looking for bigger answers to bigger questions; so before we look at God's Word verses Man's recorded words (in science, philosophy etc) in the areas we ALL can understand, are you still convinced that science alone provides any decent answers to life's biggest questions? Or maybe like some people, you are just apathetic, and you don't care? It would be good to know your thoughts on this before we begin?

I have told you that you need to provide evidence

[truthpaste]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

I have told you that you need to provide evidence

Fine, you will have sufficient evidence that would allow any honest seeker to make a logical decision, but can you deliver a two way dialogue along the way, because as is often the case, you just keep repeating yourself and ignoring anything asked of you? Can you attempt to address my last post please, then I will reply to you.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

Fine, you will have sufficient evidence that would allow any honest seeker to make a logical decision, but can you deliver a two way dialogue along the way, because as is often the case, you just keep repeating yourself and ignoring anything asked of you? Can you attempt to address my last post please, then I will reply to you.

No

I am not looking for a debate about life's big questions

Please keep on track

Evidence

Thank you

[truthpaste]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

No

I am not looking for a debate about life's big questions

Please keep on track

Evidence

Thank you

So you want me to go to the trouble of getting you all the key information without you making any attempt to have a normal adult conversation? Why do you think you can present science as having all the answers and I present the wisdom of God as having the answer to everything (that matters), yet you feel you don't have to answer one question and I have to answer all your questions?

[truthpaste]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

Can anyone help Sludge out?

Why does Science trump all that God has told us re life, the universe and everything?

[jon1959]

Re: "Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time" - true or false?

Can anyone help Sludge out?

Why does Science trump all that God has told us re life, the universe and everything?

Sludge doesn’t need any help with this one.

He’s slam dunked you every time.

‘God’ hasn’t ‘told us’ anything. There is no God or gods.

The two of you are speaking different languages. It is two distant circles, not a venn diagram. There is no point of contact. Give it up and let’s all have a break. Please.