Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

[North Cardiff Blue]

How are they going to pay for that and all the daft ideas!

Sorry wrong board can move to alternative.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

How are they going to pay for that and all the daft ideas!

Sorry wrong board can move to alternative.

Agreed. Yes, I expect this will be moved. I think it's time that, as a country, we have the discussion on whether we are prepared to pay for good public services or pay little for substandard public services and blame everyone else why they're not that good.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

How are they going to pay for that and all the daft ideas!

Sorry wrong board can move to alternative.

For me the cost comes second to the injustice of drawing arbitrary lines around who is worthy and who isn't and therefore who deserves a tax cut. It's just so demotivating to the wider workforce. It's why I also can't get behind the Tory triple lock plus nonsense.

I don't tend to take a few on strike action because I don't want to be a person who draws those arbitrary lines BUT the junior doctors have really put me off with their 'pay restoration' line, they are acting like they are the only people who have seen a reduction in real terms pay over the last decade when it applies to almost everyone.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

the only people who have seen a reduction in real terms pay over the last decade when it applies to almost everyone.

It's the almost everyone that has become the problem. The wealth divide has grown in the UK and the well off has got wealthier at some rate. We're creating more billionaires than ever yet more and more people are having reductions in their pay in real terms. That needs reversing. There is enough money in the country but too much of it is going to a select few while most of us are seeing less and less.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

It's the almost everyone that has become the problem. The wealth divide has grown in the UK and the well off has got wealthier at some rate. We're creating more billionaires than ever yet more and more people are having reductions in their pay in real terms. That needs reversing. There is enough money in the country but too much of it is going to a select few while most of us are seeing less and less.

So Doctors who are often extremely wealthy tax free cash?

[sneggyblubird]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

How are they going to pay for that and all the daft ideas!

Sorry wrong board can move to alternative.

So your answer is a rather bland generalization. Look at it this way, if you don't pay them the going rate they'll bugger off to some country that will. The other issue is our teaching hospitals are rammed with foreign trainee doctors that will do the same rather than stay on and repay the expertise we've given them. Labour and the Tories will not address issues like this and weather you like Farage or not he is at least getting across the subjects that matter to the electorate. The mainstream media are the same. And for those that say his numbers don't add up should apply the same scrutiny to all the other parties. He's on record saying that the numbers are an example of how funds can be raised to address these issues.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

So we give millionaire doctors tax-free cash and charge bin men on a tiny proportion of their income?

Some mixed up socialist you are!

I haven't said that giving doctors tax-free cash is a good idea. I don't like that idea.

What I have said is that the wealth divide, which is one of the biggest in the world, needs reversing, otherwise most of us in the bottom 90% (or whatever) will continue to see our incomes dwindle in real terms while the rich get richer. Do you advocate that?

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

I haven't said that giving doctors tax-free cash is a good idea. I don't like that idea.

What I have said is that the wealth divide, which is one of the biggest in the world, needs reversing, otherwise most of us in the bottom 90% (or whatever) will continue to see our incomes dwindle in real terms while the rich get richer. Do you advocate that?

I advocate that Farage has lost the plot and that was as stupid an idea as many of Jewemy Corbyn's!

And you seemed to agree with it in your reply.

The wealth divide needs addressing, but none of these parties give a toss, they just want to get in and have first class flights around the World having fun.

[Nobody's Rep]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

How are they going to pay for that and all the daft ideas!

Sorry wrong board can move to alternative.

Unless people starting talking about social care in the same sentence then nothing in the NHS will change - the issue at the moment is record numbers of beds being held for mainly older people who don't have the support at home or in residential / nursing homes - so any government can continue to chuck endless money at the NHS but it will not solve the problem unless they address the issues in social care at the same time

[19bluebirds27]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

GP’s and Surgeons only work Monday to Friday on 6 figure salaries - they cannot be included on this bill surely.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

Unless people starting talking about social care in the same sentence then nothing in the NHS will change - the issue at the moment is record numbers of beds being held for mainly older people who don't have the support at home or in residential / nursing homes - so any government can continue to chuck endless money at the NHS but it will not solve the problem unless they address the issues in social care at the same time

I agree there is a problem, Farage's policy was utter nonsense, tax for you, no tax for you!

All he is trying to do is get thickos working in the NHS to vote for him, he would never get in anyway so is saying whatever to get votes.

[sneggyblubird]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

So Doctors who are often extremely wealthy tax free cash?

This is about Jnr Doctors only.

[goats]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

It's the almost everyone that has become the problem. The wealth divide has grown in the UK and the well off has got wealthier at some rate. We're creating more billionaires than ever yet more and more people are having reductions in their pay in real terms. That needs reversing. There is enough money in the country but too much of it is going to a select few while most of us are seeing less and less.

They can’t seem to take it off the super rich billionaires as they are clever enough to just jump ship paying little tax, so then they go after those that work the hardest, probably your 50-120k per annum group, they pay for most of it no doubt. Those under 50 just moan they can’t afford a house or a holiday as that’s the bottom line these days…..the days of Labour just filtering it back to the people on benefits or low incomes to piss up the wall have long gone, that group will be in for a shock if they think they can just go fishing around Cowbridge one afternoon to the next….

[pipster]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

They can’t seem to take it off the super rich billionaires as they are clever enough to just jump ship paying little tax, so then they go after those that work the hardest, probably your 50-120k per annum group, they pay for most of it no doubt. Those under 50 just moan they can’t afford a house or a holiday as that’s the bottom line these days…..the days of Labour just filtering it back to the people on benefits or low incomes to piss up the wall have long gone, that group will be in for a shock if they think they can just go fishing around Cowbridge one afternoon to the next….

Cant think to who you are referring to there

I quite liked the idea they had re raising the tax threshold to 20k instead of 12k - it was as fully costed as Labour and Conservatives manifestos were.

Doing it specifically for Doctors - not keen on that - it becomes a beauty contest. Junior Docs back on strike again today for 5 days.
I wonder what would happen if someone like Branson built a hospital and provided services back to the NHS at a lower cost than the NHS can current provide it. Just to prove a point that you can run a hospital as a business, using modern local based IT systems, that require no paper records and very little admin staff.
Personally i would love to see that experiment - maybe it would work maybe it would fail ?

[jon1959]

Re: Reform want doctors and nurses to pay no basic rate tax

GP’s and Surgeons only work Monday to Friday on 6 figure salaries - they cannot be included on this bill surely.

Junior doctors in Foundation training earn between £32,398 and £37,303. You'll receive extra pay if you work over 40 hours a week. There is also a 37% enhancement for working nights and allowances for weekend and on-call work.

A doctor in specialist training starts on a basic salary of £43,923 and progresses to £63,152.

Salaried general practitioners (GPs) in England earn £68,975 to £104,085 depending on the length of service and experience.

Within Wales, GP salaries are set at £71,738 to £108,249, in Scotland they are £69,993 to £104,468 and in Northern Ireland, £69,974 - £105,592.

https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/general-practice-doctor