Conservative broken promises thread

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Two Tier Keir , that's a phrase used by absolute idiots

Happy to be a grass if it's someone beating the crap out of someone because they are an immigrant

Two Tier Kier Starmer - The pensioner Harmer, to give him his full title

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Two Tier Kier Starmer - The pensioner Harmer, to give him his full title

Well you can carry on with that but he's got a huge majority

And you lot are fecked

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Two Tier Kier Starmer - The pensioner Harmer, to give him his full title

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[Jordi Culé]

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Given the corresponding thread about broken Labour election promises, in the interest of balance, I thought I'd start one about the former government.

Fire away.

How did 'Levelling Up' go?

[cyril evans awaydays]

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How did 'Levelling Up' go?

In fairness the other thread is like a game reserve for the needy.

In the dying embers of the last government(s), having pitched the big idea that National Insurance increases were the way to pay for social care, suddenly NI cuts were the pathway to growth. First a couple of cuts amounting to 4% before the election before the promise of elimination for the self employed after it.

Putting money in the pockets of the economic contibutors, whilst freezing income tax thresholds for those who were not seen to be contibuting, but taking. Like.........pensioners! Read back any Jeremy Hunt speech from early this year if you need proof.

Suddenly though depriving pensioners bursts the blood vessels of people who had them a drain on the public purse only a few months before.

[JamesWales]

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In fairness the other thread is like a game reserve for the needy.

In the dying embers of the last government(s), having pitched the big idea that National Insurance increases were the way to pay for social care, suddenly NI cuts were the pathway to growth. First a couple of cuts amounting to 4% before the election before the promise of elimination for the self employed after it.

Putting money in the pockets of the economic contibutors, whilst freezing income tax thresholds for those who were not seen to be contibuting, but taking. Like.........pensioners! Read back any Jeremy Hunt speech from early this year if you need proof.

Suddenly though depriving pensioners bursts the blood vessels of people who had them a drain on the public purse only a few months before.

I think people just think that a lot of you are hypocrites Cyril. Not much more complex than that.

We are, of course, all hypocrites to varying degrees anyway.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I think people just think that a lot of you are hypocrites Cyril. Not much more complex than that.

We are, of course, all hypocrites to varying degrees anyway.

Thanks for the mini-lecture, James, but equally I guess people (whoever they are) think you see what you want to see.

From what I have read of posts made over the last in the couple of years preceeding the election the same people who are defending the removal of the winter fuel allowance were the ones questioning the merit of the triple lock and the bias in the Tory manifesto towards the aged. If you have hypocritical evidence to the contrary you definitely have the opportunity to air it here.

Take it from me you wont find any posts from me that further your claim. I think those at or approaching pensionable age have been amongst the most fortunate generations that have ever lived. They indeed have benefitted from a cradle to grave NHS, student grants not taxes, and affordable house purchases that have massively appreciated over their lifetimes.

As with every age group we need to protect the most vulnerable but over the last few years we have seen a political party in the thrall of pensioners as they considered them their major go-to voting cohort.

I fully agree with your last sentence by the way. It would surely apply to someone arguing against windfall taxes to allieviate the energy crisis until they were introduced by the Tories and backing Boris Johnson after a pensioner claimed that she had to ride the buses because she couldn't fully heat her home for example.

[JamesWales]

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Thanks for the mini-lecture, James, but equally I guess people (whoever they are) think you see what you want to see.

From what I have read of posts made over the last in the couple of years preceeding the election the same people who are defending the removal of the winter fuel allowance were the ones questioning the merit of the triple lock and the bias in the Tory manifesto towards the aged. If you have hypocritical evidence to the contrary you definitely have the opportunity to air it here.

Take it from me you wont find any posts from me that further your claim. I think those at or approaching pensionable age have been amongst the most fortunate generations that have ever lived. They indeed have benefitted from a cradle to grave NHS, student grants not taxes, and affordable house purchases that have massively appreciated over their lifetimes.

As with every age group we need to protect the most vulnerable but over the last few years we have seen a political party in the thrall of pensioners as they considered them their major go-to voting cohort.

I fully agree with your last sentence by the way. It would surely apply to someone arguing against windfall taxes to allieviate the energy crisis until they were introduced by the Tories and backing Boris Johnson after a pensioner claimed that she had to ride the buses because she couldn't fully heat her home for example.

It's not a mini lecture Cyril it's offering an opinion. A lot of people on here spent years making the most hysterical statements about the last government only to go pretty silent when the same things happen here.

Think yourself lucky - being called a bit of a hypocrite is much better than being called scum.

I dont see much difference between either party btw, and I understand Labours reasoning on this, even if the optics look bad.

Expect more of it though. Labour were very vocal for many years about how awful things were.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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It's not a mini lecture Cyril it's offering an opinion. A lot of people on here spent years making the most hysterical statements about the last government only to go pretty silent when the same things happen here.

Think yourself lucky - being called a bit of a hypocrite is much better than being called scum.

I dont see much difference between either party btw, and I understand Labours reasoning on this, even if the optics look bad.

Expect more of it though. Labour were very vocal for many years about how awful things were.

To be accurate you were offering an opinion as a self-appointed spokesman on behalf of other people.

As you seem to be doubling down on my personal hypocrisy the bit I am missing is the evidence rather than opinion.

What I see at the moment is the new government doing what governments have done since time imemorial, blaming the last lot and seeking to get the painful stuff out of the way early doors. It has some justification in saying the size of the fiscal mess is larger than anticipated (backed by the OBR) but it is protesting too much that its existence was unknown.

All I hear from it at the moment though is pain today with little or nothing about what gain looks like later. That needs to be addressed and quickly else it will look just like Osborne Mark II.

If it strays beyond its manifesto I think the pile on from those on here still in denial, those like you who see the forthcoming period as a chance to "have fun" at others expense and opportunists who seem to have exhausted their covid and Reset schtick and think constantly attacking and name calling the Labour government as their latest demand for attention will be justified.

[JamesWales]

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To be accurate you were offering an opinion as a self-appointed spokesman on behalf of other people.

As you seem to be doubling down on my personal hypocrisy the bit I am missing is the evidence rather than opinion.

What I see at the moment is the new government doing what governments have done since time imemorial, blaming the last lot and seeking to get the painful stuff out of the way early doors. It has some justification in saying the size of the fiscal mess is larger than anticipated (backed by the OBR) but it is protesting too much that its existence was unknown.

All I hear from it at the moment though is pain today with little or nothing about what gain looks like later. That needs to be addressed and quickly else it will look just like Osborne Mark II.

If it strays beyond its manifesto I think the pile on from those on here still in denial, those like you who see the forthcoming period as a chance to "have fun" at others expense and opportunists who seem to have exhausted their covid and Reset schtick and think constantly attacking and name calling the Labour government as their latest demand for attention will be justified.

Wtf are you going on about? I'm just saying, a lot ofthe criticism is because people can see the hypocrisy. I'm just offering an opinion on a messageboard the same as you are.

Loads on here would be screaming blue murder if th Tories did this and they are silent or supportive when it isn't.

As I say, I can see why they've done it, just as I could see the rationale for many of the last government decisions. Governance is very hard.

As far accusing others of name calling...I think your role as white knight is several years too late! And if you stay silent when people are labeled scum, it's a bit rich to pipe up when people are called hypocrites!

But as I said, expect more of it. The anti government script for the next few years is already written - by the last opposition.

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Wtf are you going on about? I'm just saying, a lot ofthe criticism is because people can see the hypocrisy. I'm just offering an opinion on a messageboard the same as you are.

Loads on here would be screaming blue murder if th Tories did this and they are silent or supportive when it isn't.

As I say, I can see why they've done it, just as I could see the rationale for many of the last government decisions. Governance is very hard.

As far accusing others of name calling...I think your role as white knight is several years too late! And if you stay silent when people are labeled scum, it's a bit rich to pipe up when people are called hypocrites!

But as I said, expect more of it. The anti government script for the next few years is already written - by the last opposition.

Very few people are listening to you on here

Why don't you join the local Conservative club ?

Cheap beer

[JamesWales]

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Very few people are listening to you on here

Why don't you join the local Conservative club ?

Cheap beer

Maybe you should have listened a bit more instead of endlessly shouting as the exact same problems are what the current govt will now face.

You have set a tone for political debate on here - don't cry when it's thrown back at you by some!

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Maybe you should have listened a bit more instead of endlessly shouting as the exact same problems are what the current govt will now face.

You have set a tone for political debate on here - don't cry when it's thrown back at you by some!

I just laugh at the tory boys saying the same thing , 5 years , at least of no tory government

It must hurt

[JamesWales]

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I just laugh at the tory boys saying the same thing , 5 years , at least of no tory government

It must hurt

Ha on a personal level, don't care. I want every govt to be the best govt we've ever had. I do have a general principle that govts should change after a few terms (which certainly applies to Cardiff Bay) so I have no issue with a new govt.

What annoyed me was a lot of the criticism missed the real reasons behind decisions and/or was abusive or ignorant.

It will be remarkably easy for the opposition parties to throw things back at the new govt. We saw that yesterday in PMQs and on BBC breakfast news this morning the same with Angela Rayner

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Ha on a personal level, don't care. I want every govt to be the best govt we've ever had. I do have a general principle that govts should change after a few terms (which certainly applies to Cardiff Bay) so I have no issue with a new govt.

What annoyed me was a lot of the criticism missed the real reasons behind decisions and/or was abusive or ignorant.

It will be remarkably easy for the opposition parties to throw things back at the new govt. We saw that yesterday in PMQs and on BBC breakfast news this morning the same with Angela Rayner

Don't fib

You are a raving tory