Sue Gray resigns.

[the other bob wilson]

Labour really are proving that fighting internal battles is more important for them than Governing the country.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

Promoted to envoy for regions and nations.

[Dorcus]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

Labour really are proving that fighting internal battles is more important for them than Governing the country.

Nothing is ever black or white 😂

[JamesWales]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

Something is up if she has left. I think a lot of Labour MPs are a little miffed that she was seemingly parachuted in and has a lot of power. I can see their point to an extent.

Either way she should be pleased with her service. Her report largely saw to the end of Boris Johnson and set the Tories in downfall. She then got the Labour gig (a total coincidence) and managed to get her son on the candidate list and he is now an elected MP! (another coincidence).

I think her report was probably fair tbh, but her going straight to Labour stank and her son becoming an MP seems a little bit of an example of nepotism to me.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

Something is up if she has left. I think a lot of Labour MPs are a little miffed that she was seemingly parachuted in and has a lot of power. I can see their point to an extent.

Either way she should be pleased with her service. Her report largely saw to the end of Boris Johnson and set the Tories in downfall. She then got the Labour gig (a total coincidence) and managed to get her son on the candidate list and he is now an elected MP! (another coincidence).

I think her report was probably fair tbh, but her going straight to Labour stank and her son becoming an MP seems a little bit of an example of nepotism to me.

I do love a good coincidence theory.

[JamesWales]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

I do love a good coincidence theory.

Ha, touche!

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

Something is up if she has left. I think a lot of Labour MPs are a little miffed that she was seemingly parachuted in and has a lot of power. I can see their point to an extent.

Either way she should be pleased with her service. Her report largely saw to the end of Boris Johnson and set the Tories in downfall. She then got the Labour gig (a total coincidence) and managed to get her son on the candidate list and he is now an elected MP! (another coincidence).

I think her report was probably fair tbh, but her going straight to Labour stank and her son becoming an MP seems a little bit of an example of nepotism to me.

Nothing like a bit of post-hoc coincidence revisionism.

It was no coincidence that Johnson's apalling behaviour came under increasing scrutiny, indeed he brought it all on his own head. I remember giving you a previous challenge on which bits of the Gray report were biased so we could discuss. Met with silence.

Johnson lost office because he was frivolous and uncaring about the laws he put in place. He lied about his behaviour to Parliament, stuck up for a Whip who was a drunken letch and lost the support of his Parliamentary Party and Ministers such that he resigned in ignomy.

Starmer's judgement in appointing Gray to his office shows serious errors of his own judgement but your join the dots bit suggests you are still in denial about Johnson's justifiable defenestration by his own party!

[goats]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

Have Labour lost 12 seats already since the election through various by elections or people standing down?

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

Have Labour lost 12 seats already since the election through various by elections or people standing down?

I can never understand why people don't google "Have Labour lost 12 seats already since the election through various by elections or people standing down?" and see whether they are right or wrong. Spoiler alert........wrong!

[Dorcus]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

Have Labour lost 12 seats already since the election through various by elections or people standing down?

No but I think the Tories have lost any chance of getting back into power any time soon. Clouds and silver linings and all that.

[JamesWales]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

Nothing like a bit of post-hoc coincidence revisionism.

It was no coincidence that Johnson's apalling behaviour came under increasing scrutiny, indeed he brought it all on his own head. I remember giving you a previous challenge on which bits of the Gray report were biased so we could discuss. Met with silence.

Johnson lost office because he was frivolous and uncaring about the laws he put in place. He lied about his behaviour to Parliament, stuck up for a Whip who was a drunken letch and lost the support of his Parliamentary Party and Ministers such that he resigned in ignomy.

Starmer's judgement in appointing Gray to his office shows serious errors of his own judgement but your join the dots bit suggests you are still in denial about Johnson's justifiable defenestration by his own party!

Seems you missed the bit where I said her report was probably fair there and went into full on Cyril chatbot mode!

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

Seems you missed the bit where I said her report was probably fair there and went into full on Cyril chatbot mode!

If only you had reached that conclusion at the time, eh!

[JamesWales]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

If only you had reached that conclusion at the time, eh!

When the facts change..

Irrespective, why don't you respond to the substance of what I said? It's grubby isn't it?

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

When the facts change..

Irrespective, why don't you respond to the substance of what I said? It's grubby isn't it?

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?458169-Sue-Gray&p=5435068&viewfull=1#post5435068

I addressed Starmer's naivety in appointing Gray earlier. I don't understand why he thought she was a political fit as Chief of Staff. It looks like a mix of her own personality, Simon Case, (a toxic hangover from the Johnson era who Gray definitely hit in her report) and a feisty cabal of SPADs did for her.

Still as long as you continue to think her report was biased who are we to throw stones?

[JamesWales]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5435068

I addressed Starmer's naivety in appointing Gray earlier. I don't understand why he thought she was a political fit as Chief of Staff. It looks like a mix of her own personality, Simon Case, (a toxic hangover from the Johnson era who Gray definitely hit in her report) and a feisty cabal of SPADs did for her.

Still as long as you continue to think her report was biased who are we to throw stones?

I quite literally said it was probably okay. But to be honest, if an independent judge then jumps ship to one side of the divide and it then turns out her son is so committed a Labour supporter that he then gets to stand as an MP, it does naturally raise questions.

It absolutely would for you if the situation were reversed.

Personally, I think it stinks that she joined Labour so quickly and it stinks even more that her son got to stand. Sorry!