Assisted dying

[JamesWales]

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They are always floating around the edges

The top priest in England was on the news yesterday being interviewed about it

Quite why I don't know , completely irrelevant , may as well ask a bloke working down the council bus depot

Justin Welby sticks his oar into a few political issues nowadays. I think in this case if we are going to have a big national debate about a profound moral issue then its fair enough. But yeah the idea that your local priest, vicar or Imam is signing the decision off - that would be a huge overstep.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Justin Welby sticks his oar into a few political issues nowadays. I think in this case if we are going to have a big national debate about a profound moral issue then its fair enough. But yeah the idea that your local priest, vicar or Imam is signing the decision off - that would be a huge overstep.

Religion is definitely not included in moralistic debates as far as I am concerned

It is however , all the time , poking their noses in

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Exclude the religious lot from any part in the process

Completely

Tonight on the news there was this vicar who previously had argued against any assisted dying .....due to her belief in ghosts etc .....and hence played a part in denying others a peaceful end

A few years ago her mum suffered a terrible end .....the result? Well, vicar lady is now 100 percent in favour of assisted dying

Ff sake

So here we have the perfect example of religion sticking its nose in and people using it to make or try to make decisions on behalf of others ��

No chance , the person who wants out plus the medical team ....that's it

None of this religious ethics crap hanging around together with every Tom , Dick and Harry

My views on assisted dying have not been coloured by my recent experience - as I have always thought this way.
As for a religious intervention, before I take the plunge I'll forgo the pleasure of talking to someone who believes in resurrection and talking donkeys

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Exclude the religious lot from any part in the process

Completely

Tonight on the news there was this vicar who previously had argued against any assisted dying .....due to her belief in ghosts etc .....and hence played a part in denying others a peaceful end

A few years ago her mum suffered a terrible end .....the result? Well, vicar lady is now 100 percent in favour of assisted dying

Ff sake

So here we have the perfect example of religion sticking its nose in and people using it to make or try to make decisions on behalf of others ��

No chance , the person who wants out plus the medical team ....that's it

None of this religious ethics crap hanging around together with every Tom , Dick and Harry

As frustrating it is that she argued against it for so long, and the effect that had on other people, I suppose at least she had it in her to change her mind

[Gofer Blue]

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My sympathies on this are with TBG, Gofer and Sludge (a dream team!)

I understand the concerns about abuse and exploitation, but the default should be for the person facing end of life to decide.

There should be a role for doctors, lawyers and family - but no final decision and no veto.

This of course is the tricky bit! It is important that the person concerned needs to have given written consent for assisted dying whilst they are still compos mentis. My wife and a few close friends already know my wishes so when I make a written statement then there should be no question of coercion. I would be suspicious if there were to be some last minute "surprise" written statement from a person seeking assisted dying and would need to check further.

[Gofer Blue]

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As frustrating it is that she argued against it for so long, and the effect that had on other people, I suppose at least she had it in her to change her mind

This reflects on what I said in my earlier post. It seems to me that it is often the case that the people who are against introducing the new law are those who have never had first hand experience with someone who is dying a slow and lingering death. It would be interesting to have some actual statistics on this aspect.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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This reflects on what I said in my earlier post. It seems to me that it is often the case that the people who are against introducing the new law are those who have never had first hand experience with someone who is dying a slow and lingering death. It would be interesting to have some actual statistics on this aspect.

Or they are religious

Assisted dying is opposed almost overwhelmingly by religious groups , churches and individuals

If there is coercion going on , it's mostly from the religious

Same as abortion clinics getting targeted in the USA

[Gofer Blue]

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Or they are religious

Assisted dying is opposed almost overwhelmingly by religious groups , churches and individuals.

If there is coercion going on , it's mostly from the religious

Same as abortion clinics getting targeted in the USA

"Assisted dying is opposed almost overwhelmingly by religious groups , churches and individuals". Your source data please...

I beg to differ....

"Polling has consistently shown that religious people are supportive of giving terminally ill adults the option of an assisted death, with a 2019 Populus poll finding that approximately 80% of religious people were in favour of law change. We provide an alternative voice to challenge those, particularly some religious leaders, who wrongly claim to speak for all religious people in their opposition to assisted dying. In a 2021 YouGov poll of 5,039 adults, 53% of religious people felt it was wrong for religious leaders to actively campaign against an assisted dying bill that was debated in the House of Commons in 2015, with just 22% saying they felt it was right for them to do so".

Reference: https://committees.parliament.uk/wri...ce/116339/pdf/

Do you know how many abortions are carried out in the USA every year? Estimates vary from 625,000 to 900,000. It was over 1.4 million in 1990.

(https://www.pewresearch.org/short-re...ion-in-the-us/).

Are we supposed to believe that these hundreds of thousands were genuinely a threat to the life of the mother or were malformed in some way? I wonder how many of those unborn gave permission for their euthanasia?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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"Assisted dying is opposed almost overwhelmingly by religious groups , churches and individuals". Your source data please...

I beg to differ....

"Polling has consistently shown that religious people are supportive of giving terminally ill adults the option of an assisted death, with a 2019 Populus poll finding that approximately 80% of religious people were in favour of law change. We provide an alternative voice to challenge those, particularly some religious leaders, who wrongly claim to speak for all religious people in their opposition to assisted dying. In a 2021 YouGov poll of 5,039 adults, 53% of religious people felt it was wrong for religious leaders to actively campaign against an assisted dying bill that was debated in the House of Commons in 2015, with just 22% saying they felt it was right for them to do so".

Reference: https://committees.parliament.uk/wri...ce/116339/pdf/



Do you know how many abortions are carried out in the USA every year? Estimates vary from 625,000 to 900,000. It was over 1.4 million in 1990.

(https://www.pewresearch.org/short-re...ion-in-the-us/).

Are we supposed to believe that these hundreds of thousands were genuinely a threat to the life of the mother or were malformed in some way? I wonder how many of those unborn gave permission for their euthanasia?

If a woman exercises her right to chose a termination then as far as I am concerned that's the end of the matter

[Gofer Blue]

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If a woman exercises her right to chose a termination then as far as I am concerned that's the end of the matter

And your assertion that religious people are overwhelmingly opposed to assisted dying?

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And your assertion that religious people are overwhelmingly opposed to assisted dying?

Probably because the bible says suicide is self murder, and murder is one of the big no no's in the 10 commandments

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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And your assertion that religious people are overwhelmingly opposed to assisted dying?

Your book you say is your guide says thou shall not kill

Unless of course you are a conservative voting Christian, then it's call the hangman !

[Heathblue]

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My brother died last week after the most horrendous descent into mental and physical decline.
Although we had our differences we thought similarly about many things e.g. religion: nil, afterlife: zero, what happens to our physical body: unimportant, funeral: no, thanks.
His decline meant that he wore a nappy at the end of his life, he spent his ever-decreasing conscious periods seeing visions of animals, he was convinced that the was elsehwere in the country and believing that he had been kidnapped for his organs to be harvested etc. He could hardly swallow and couldn't really speak at the end and was fed by a tube.
Neither he nor I would prefer such an existence to having a way out of that condition.
Although there must be safeguards against assisted dying, it's a strange situation whereby it's so damned difficult to legally escape from such an horrendous situation.

Condolences TBG, me and Mozzer who i'm not sure if you know is my brother watched our Father pass 5 weeks ago in circumstances not too far from what you describe happened to your brother, the circumstances of Dad's passing hasn't changed my thought process on the subject, it has just reinforced it, if there was/is a change in the law my wife and children are fully aware of my wishes when my time comes.

[jeepster]

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Condolences TBG, me and Mozzer who i'm not sure if you know is my brother watched our Father pass 5 weeks ago in circumstances not too far from what you describe happened to your brother, the circumstances of Dad's passing hasn't changed my thought process on the subject, it has just reinforced it, if there was/is a change in the law my wife and children are fully aware of my wishes when my time comes.

Reading all the posts from people who lost a loved one,
has made my mind up.Thanks to all you posters on here.
Why my time come i want the choice.

[Gofer Blue]

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Probably because the bible says suicide is self murder, and murder is one of the big no no's in the 10 commandments

Where in the Bible does it mention suicide?