German Election

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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You truly are stark raving mad Sludge. The statement I said earlier is absolutely factually correct. Just accept it!

No it isn't

The far right , that you now vote for , embarrassingly, are on the rise in Europe but in Germany they were very cocky and the news was full of claims that the 20 percent was shy and it was going to be higher

It wasn't

Oh dear , how sad , never mind

[JamesWales]

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No it isn't

The far right , that you now vote for , embarrassingly, are on the rise in Europe but in Germany they were very cocky and the news was full of claims that the 20 percent was shy and it was going to be higher

It wasn't

Oh dear , how sad , never mind

Stark raving bonkers. You may as well be arguing that Cardiff City beat Hull 7-0 last night.

I would post a match report just as I've posted opinion polls and you would still argue against it and obviously go on about the far-right for good measure!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Stark raving bonkers. You may as well be arguing that Cardiff City beat Hull 7-0 last night.

I would post a match report just as I've posted opinion polls and you would still argue against it and obviously go on about the far-right for good measure!

I said the far right idiots expected a bigger turn out than they actually got ....what the opinion polls or your views of what you or the opinion polls thought they would get doesn't matter

They were interviewed on German tv and radio .....we will surprise everyone etc etc etc was the cry

Just like your reform chums last July who ended up getting less than the predictions

[JamesWales]

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I said the far right idiots expected a bigger turn out than they actually got ....what the opinion polls or your views of what you or the opinion polls thought they would get doesn't matter

They were interviewed on German tv and radio .....we will surprise everyone etc etc etc was the cry

Just like your reform chums last July who ended up getting less than the predictions

Sludge you are just lying to yourself. They knew what to expect because thats what opinion polls are for. They expected 20-21%. They got 20.8%.

Obviously they wanted more, just like someone on 15% in the polls hopes it will end up being 20%. But they also know it could be 10%.

Stop being so weird. You said the AfD expected "far more than" what they got. That's just bollocks.

If you can't get the basic undeniable fact that the opinion polls were almost spot on correct, then any other analysis of the result is impossible

[the other bob wilson]

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Sludge you are just lying to yourself. They knew what to expect because thats what opinion polls are for. They expected 20-21%. They got 20.8%.

Obviously they wanted more, just like someone on 15% in the polls hopes it will end up being 20%. But they also know it could be 10%.

Stop being so weird. You said the AfD expected "far more than" what they got. That's just bollocks.

If you can't get the basic undeniable fact that the opinion polls were almost spot on correct, then any other analysis of the result is impossible

Seems to me that the far right parties in Germany, the UK and most other European countries get far more media time and attention than the size of their vote merits.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Seems to me that the far right parties in Germany, the UK and most other European countries get far more media time and attention than the size of their vote merits.

Sadly, the media (and social media in general) is conducive to strong and often simplistic messages from either end of the political spectrum. Those espousing balance and moderation are squeezed between the extremes.

[JamesWales]

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Seems to me that the far right parties in Germany, the UK and most other European countries get far more media time and attention than the size of their vote merits.

Yep, they have their stories and will focus on them! Anecdotally it would seem the AfD got more coverage than the CDU/CSU who won the election.

[Rjk]

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Sadly, the media (and social media in general) is conducive to strong and often simplistic messages from either end of the political spectrum. Those espousing balance and moderation are squeezed between the extremes.

I was listening to a program on the radio about the witch trials craze, and it was comparing it to the rise of far right populism in the social media age.

they suggested that with groundbreaking changes in the availability of information amongst the population there are always positive and negative effects.

the invention of the printing press led to the enlightenment, the renaissance and reformation.
suddenly new ideas were able to come from a much wider range of sources and reach people a lot more quickly.
unfortunately one of the ways this manifested itself was in the witch trials that led to the deaths of thousands of people (including 5 in Wales).

moving on to today, there are obvious advantages to the amount of information we receive today in many ways, but there is also a definite down side, especially with the amount of information we are bombarded with l, and the fact that how well a message cuts through has little to do with how accurate or factual it is.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Sludge you are just lying to yourself. They knew what to expect because thats what opinion polls are for. They expected 20-21%. They got 20.8%.

Obviously they wanted more, just like someone on 15% in the polls hopes it will end up being 20%. But they also know it could be 10%.

Stop being so weird. You said the AfD expected "far more than" what they got. That's just bollocks.

If you can't get the basic undeniable fact that the opinion polls were almost spot on correct, then any other analysis of the result is impossible

Rubbish

All over social media , just like in this country the far right were proclaiming how big their vote was going to be ....to say they were cocky is an understatement of epic proportions

In the UK for your boys reform it was worse and they got 2 percent less than the polls had them down for

I know this is disappointing for you as a reform voter but tough luck

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Seems to me that the far right parties in Germany, the UK and most other European countries get far more media time and attention than the size of their vote merits.

They have a worrying level of support , even on here , but they are a soft vote

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Sadly, the media (and social media in general) is conducive to strong and often simplistic messages from either end of the political spectrum. Those espousing balance and moderation are squeezed between the extremes.

You have long trumped the moderate , liberal line and if we had a strong liberal party in this country I would vote for them permanently

But you can't debate moderately with the majority of reform type voters as they vote on a one trick pony based on immigration and neo con right wing nonsense

So I would vote Labour, green , Plaid, independent or if there was no other choice conservative to keep out the farage nutcases

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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You have long trumped the moderate , liberal line and if we had a strong liberal party in this country I would vote for them permanently

But you can't debate moderately with the majority of reform type voters as they vote on a one trick pony based on immigration and neo con right wing nonsense

So I would vote Labour, green , Plaid, independent or if there was no other choice conservative to keep out the farage nutcases

To be fair, judging by your outporings on here, you are not really associated with balance, nuance and weighing up both sides of an argument!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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To be fair, judging by your outporings on here, you are not really associated with balance, nuance and weighing up both sides of an argument!

I think if you are giving any sort of nuance to the far right then no wonder the liberals rarely get more than a protest vote

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I think if you are giving any sort of nuance to the far right then no wonder the liberals rarely get more than a protest vote

You need to come up with a different schtick, old fruit. You are just in a tape loop and not really saying anything we haven't heard from you a few thousand times.

[Rjk]

Re: German Election

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