Runcorn by election.

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Runcorn by election.

He wants an argument doesn’t he. I’d also be fascinated to know what Reform’s policies are, much like the Brexit Party’s probably, but then what did they stand for? We know Farage doesn’t like immigrants and the EU and loves money in his pocket and Donald Trump but that’s about it really.

They have a policy document on their website Bob.

Probably a good place to start!

[stevo]

Re: Runcorn by election.

They have a policy document on their website Bob.

Probably a good place to start!

Ah, but have their voters actually read it?

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Runcorn by election.

Ah, but have their voters actually read it?

If I was going to vote for them I certainly would!

But then again how many Tory, Labour etc voters have actually read the policy documents from those parties!(

[Rjk]

Re: Runcorn by election.

They have a policy document on their website Bob.

Probably a good place to start!

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/reformuk/pages/253/attachments/original/1718625371/Reform_UK_Our_Contract_with_You.pdf?1718625371

there you go -

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Runcorn by election.

And now they have got 5 councils including Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire!

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: Runcorn by election.

Other than to kick non whites out of the UK what do reform actually stand for?

They appear to operate like a business designed to funnel money to farage and his mates from the working classes but I'm open to finding out what their policies are.

Are manifestos worth the paper that they are printed on now?
It seems as though the current lot in charge basically reneged on theirs as soon as they got the keys to Number 10.

While Labour will never be able to match Tory sleaze…Labour MP’s have been a having a good crack at feathering their own nests as well.

Sludge has posted in this thread that he hopes to see Starmer, Reeves, Cooper and Rayner get booted out but understands that there aren’t many competent candidates to replace them.

Ultimately, The Labour Party traded in The Working Class for a different voter base years ago.
They really couldn’t give any more of a hoot about the working class now than the Tory’s.
If Reform does (which I doubt) remains to be seen.

I’d like to see the likes of Mick Lynch, Eddie Dempsey and Paul Embery, involved in the Labour Party.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Runcorn by election.

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/ref...pdf?1718625371

there you go -

Pie in the sky stuff.

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/reform-uk-manifesto-reaction

[jon1959]

Re: Runcorn by election.

Labour will be very disappointed but relatively content with getting three of the four mayoral races so far, esp Doncaster which could have gone to Reform perhaps.

‘A win is a win’, but ‘A votes and vote share collapse is still a collapse’

If Labour are ‘relatively content’ they are in an even bigger hole of their own making than it looked like yesterday.

Starmerism is cowardly, toxic to Labour’s natural base let alone the wider electorate, and delusional.

The only thing this right wing cabal can hang on to is that the Tories are in an even worse state. But as the former Member for the Eighteenth Century, Jacob Rees-Mogg helpfully explained, there is almost no policy difference between that Tories and Reform - it is mostly about personalities (and a bit more explicit racism)!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Runcorn by election.

Are manifestos worth the paper that they are printed on now?
It seems as though the current lot in charge basically reneged on theirs as soon as they got the keys to Number 10.

While Labour will never be able to match Tory sleaze…Labour MP’s have been a having a good crack at feathering their own nests as well.

Sludge has posted in this thread that he hopes to see Starmer, Reeves, Cooper and Rayner get booted out but understands that there aren’t many competent candidates to replace them.

Ultimately, The Labour Party traded in The Working Class for a different voter base years ago.
They really couldn’t give any more of a hoot about the working class now than the Tory’s.
If Reform does (which I doubt) remains to be seen.

I’d like to see the likes of Mick Lynch, Eddie Dempsey and Paul Embery, involved in the Labour Party.

I think in the long run the labour party are dead in the water and they need to form a centre left alliance with the liberals , green , independents and those in Scotland and Wales who vote snp or Plaid but are surely intelligent enough to realise that going it alone is a ridiculous idea

The way things are going reform are likely to get more votes in Wales than Plaid so it really is a sensible plan to unite against the right wing

If Welsh culture and language is to survive its definitely not a good idea to let reform in through the back door whilst labour , liberal , Plaid, snp and greens
argue like schoolkids

As for the UK the sooner starmer and that hopeless idiot leading the liberal Democrats are thrown out the better

Need a strong middle ground and it's very weak at present

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Pie in the sky stuff.

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/reform-u...festo-reaction

The average reform voter doesn't care about the fine details

But they will if they realise that the fragile state of the NHS will be dead as a dodo under farage

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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‘A win is a win’, but ‘A votes and vote share collapse is still a collapse’

If Labour are ‘relatively content’ they are in an even bigger hole of their own making than it looked like yesterday.

Starmerism is cowardly, toxic to Labour’s natural base let alone the wider electorate, and delusional.

The only thing this right wing cabal can hang on to is that the Tories are in an even worse state. But as the former Member for the Eighteenth Century, Jacob Rees-Mogg helpfully explained, there is almost no policy difference between that Tories and Reform - it is mostly about personalities (and a bit more explicit racism)!

The Labour Party is bust now

Best to cobble together a sort of popular front rainbow alliance type movement and try and muddle through

He's absolutely useless and so are most of his team

I don't think any of them have got a clue and look so amateurish especially Lammy , Rayner and Streeting

With such a big majority and lots of new MPs backing him up its unlikely Starmer will walk the plank but it would be great if he did

[stevo]

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If I was going to vote for them I certainly would!

But then again how many Tory, Labour etc voters have actually read the policy documents from those parties!(

My point is that whether Reform say this or not, they are seen by the people that vote for them as the party who will take a hard line against immigration. And that's all that matters to their voters it would seem.

[JamesWales]

Re: Runcorn by election.

‘A win is a win’, but ‘A votes and vote share collapse is still a collapse’

If Labour are ‘relatively content’ they are in an even bigger hole of their own making than it looked like yesterday.

Starmerism is cowardly, toxic to Labour’s natural base let alone the wider electorate, and delusional.

The only thing this right wing cabal can hang on to is that the Tories are in an even worse state. But as the former Member for the Eighteenth Century, Jacob Rees-Mogg helpfully explained, there is almost no policy difference between that Tories and Reform - it is mostly about personalities (and a bit more explicit racism)!

Yeah tbf that was this morning, since then Labours results in the local elections have got progressively worse. Worse than I thought actually. I do think they will have acted out a scenario where they lost all the mayoral seats though

[JamesWales]

Re: Runcorn by election.

The average reform voter doesn't care about the fine details

But they will if they realise that the fragile state of the NHS will be dead as a dodo under farage

The average reform voter is the average Labour voter from about 15 years ago. I don't think any party has supporters more or less engaged in the minutiae of local government. In my experience previously few really understand the process, unfortunately

[Rjk]

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The average reform voter is the average Labour voter from about 15 years ago. I don't think any party has supporters more or less engaged in the minutiae of local government. In my experience previously few really understand the process, unfortunately

that isn't really true - reform have taken more voters from the tories than they have Labour