Runcorn by election.

[Rjk]

Re: Runcorn by election.

You completely missed out Option C.

which is?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Labour arent popular at the moment, but then for the Westminster elections it makes little difference for now they have a huge yes shallow majority - it will get eroded but not to the point they cannot function.

If in the next 4 years the economy improves and people are feeling more comfortable then they will point to that and probably do well.
If we are still scraping along the bottom they'll have to fight the election on at least we aren't the other lot, which is a risky strategy, but would probably be the only think left to them at that point.

That's exactly the sort of displacement that will lead to a reform or reform tory victory at the next election

Starmer is having his poll tax moment , already which is a shame but he's just not up to the job and he's got to be replaced as soon as possible

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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which is?

Get rid of starmer and his mates

[Rjk]

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Get rid of starmer and his mates

thats only happening at a general election

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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thats only happening at a general election

Not if he faces a rebellion over a certain absolute wipe out

The complete slaughter of Welsh Labour next may will be his nemesis

[Rjk]

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Not if he faces a rebellion over a certain absolute wipe out

The complete slaughter of Welsh Labour next may will be his nemesis

I don't think welsh Labour losing would have much effect on the UK labour party. Starmer will be the prime minister until the next general election to think otherwise is extremely naive.

The only winners of a labour collapse in Wales are Reform and Farage.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I don't think welsh Labour losing would have much effect on the UK labour party. Starmer will be the prime minister until the next general election to think otherwise is extremely naive.

The only winners of a labour collapse in Wales are Reform and Farage.

Labour is sinking nationally and in Wales

It's all about damage limitation

A return to a charismatic leader both nationally and in Wales would shore up what's left of the support and ensure coalition government in both Wales and Westminster

Leave things as they are and fail to make concessions regarding obvious policy screw ups and its absolute curtains

Labour's support is leaking faster than the titanic

It seems that some people to still be in complete denial as here

We are not talking about labour failing to get a majority to govern

We are not talking about a less than ideal coalition both nationally and in Wales

We are talking about a complete wipe out to the right wing

It's incredibly serious and worrying and Labour needs to stop trying to carry on regardless and start delivering

He and his cabinet are utterly incompetent

[Eric Cartman]

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I don't think welsh Labour losing would have much effect on the UK labour party. Starmer will be the prime minister until the next general election to think otherwise is extremely naive.

The only winners of a labour collapse in Wales are Reform and Farage.

Not sure about the last paragraph. The advantage reform have right now is they don't have a record to defend. Winning in Wales and achieving less than nothing between then and the next general election could affect their wider support.

[Eric Cartman]

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Labour is sinking nationally and in Wales

It's all about damage limitation

A return to a charismatic leader both nationally and in Wales would shore up what's left of the support and ensure coalition government in both Wales and Westminster

Leave things as they are and fail to make concessions regarding obvious policy screw ups and its absolute curtains

Labour's support is leaking faster than the titanic

It seems that some people to still be in complete denial as here

We are not talking about labour failing to get a majority to govern

We are not talking about a less than ideal coalition both nationally and in Wales

We are talking about a complete wipe out to the right wing

It's incredibly serious and worrying and Labour needs to stop trying to carry on regardless and start delivering

He and his cabinet are utterly incompetent

What are the obvious policy screw ups that they should make concessions over?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Not sure about the last paragraph. The advantage reform have right now is they don't have a record to defend. Winning in Wales and achieving less than nothing between then and the next general election could affect their wider support.

Cobblers they could do whatever they wanted , their followers won't care a toss

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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What are the obvious policy screw ups that they should make concessions over?

Well I have already told you that

You might not think people are thinking they are behaving like Tories but their core vote does

[Eric Cartman]

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Cobblers they could do whatever they wanted , their followers won't care a toss

So what's the point then? It's inevitable right?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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So what's the point then? It's inevitable right?

Damage limitation

Reform are now part of the political landscape

A right bunch of chancers but if around 20 percent , maybe more of the electorate vote for them then Labour, liberals and the rest need to bang heads together

There's never going to be a party with a big majority in this country ever again and realistically the very best to hope for is labour winning the most seats and forming a coalition

It's not going to be able to do that with starmer in charge , he's absolutely incompetent as are his disciples ....Reeves, Kendal etc .....

The twenty percent is lost to reform , forget that bunch

If he gets axed there might be a chance of clawing back some support and forming that coalition

If he stays it's curtains

It's as simple as that

Get rid or it's reform and the Tories

[Eric Cartman]

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Well I have already told you that

You might not think people are thinking they are behaving like Tories but their core vote does

Well they will win then won't they? People like voting for Tories.

Unfortunately sludge, you just wail on and on about getting rid of Starmer and getting in a leader with charisma (what you mean by that I don't know). You very rarely say anything about policy beyond popular policy = good, unpopular policy = bad. I don't really know where you stand on anything.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Well they will win then won't they? People like voting for Tories.

Unfortunately sludge, you just wail on and on about getting rid of Starmer and getting in a leader with charisma (what you mean by that I don't know). You very rarely say anything about policy beyond popular policy = good, unpopular policy = bad. I don't really know where you stand on anything.

No , pay attention

If labour get rid of starmer they should get enough of a boost to win the most seats

The bloke is toxic , weak and you might not see he's driving people away but those on the doorstep do

I don't know any labour voters who think hes anything but a complete let down

And if labour voters think he's hopeless then it's obvious those on the fringes have an even lower opinion of him

The core voters are not backing him ......you can go on playing the game of philosophical chess and yeah but no but in the same way Cardiff City sleepwalked into relegation then suddenly were powerless to stop it .....Starmer and Labour are taking us in the nightmare of a right wing government in rapid time