What a bunch of clowns.

[the other bob wilson]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq54p9epdg6o

[ninian opinian]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

Ben Habib, gone, Rupert Lowe gone,
Zia Yusuf gone.

If the fag ash fuhrer can't even hold his tiny group together, imagine what an absolute disaster he would be in government.

[jon1959]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

As I understood the situation Zia Yusuf was responsible for turning Reform into a serious electoral threat (in a way that UKIP rarely was).

Farage relied on him to build local organisations.

It won't all be down to one person, but his resignation is a bigger deal than Lowe losing the whip.

[JamesWales]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

I think he's a loss. He seems highly regarded as a political operator and organizer and whatnot and clearly helped professionalise the party. I must say though, I thought he was poor when he was on question time. He's not very charismatic and seemed frankly, dull.

Any party needs a diverse range of names though. Rupert Lowe was a name. Perhaps not famous, but ran a premier league club. Zia Yusuf was of course also a name of sorts. Theres others, but not many.

Won't matter in a week or two, but they need to stop falling out with each other

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

I think he's a loss. He seems highly regarded as a political operator and organizer and whatnot and clearly helped professionalise the party. I must say though, I thought he was poor when he was on question time. He's not very charismatic and seemed frankly, dull.

Any party needs a diverse range of names though. Rupert Lowe was a name. Perhaps not famous, but ran a premier league club. Zia Yusuf was of course also a name of sorts. Theres others, but not many.

Won't matter in a week or two, but they need to stop falling out with each other

I think they should carry on falling out with each other

[jon1959]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

I think they should carry on falling out with each other

[JamesWales]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

I think they should carry on falling out with each other

Touche! You probably do!

[Eric Cartman]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

I think he's a loss. He seems highly regarded as a political operator and organizer and whatnot and clearly helped professionalise the party. I must say though, I thought he was poor when he was on question time. He's not very charismatic and seemed frankly, dull.

Any party needs a diverse range of names though. Rupert Lowe was a name. Perhaps not famous, but ran a premier league club. Zia Yusuf was of course also a name of sorts. Theres others, but not many.

Won't matter in a week or two, but they need to stop falling out with each other

There's quite a collection of somewhat high profile disgruntled former members collecting now.

Farage is the brand and without him they would lose votes but it doesn't feel like Farage shares well so anybody who oversteps, gets the boot. I don't think a one man band is going to win an election in the UK.

[JamesWales]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

There's quite a collection of somewhat high profile disgruntled former members collecting now.

Farage is the brand and without him they would lose votes but it doesn't feel like Farage shares well so anybody who oversteps, gets the boot. I don't think a one man band is going to win an election in the UK.

I don't think the collection is abnormally large, but it is proportionately so. Smaller parties can't really afford to be divided and also need the different 'wings' of the party to appeal to different sets of voters.

I agree, Farage is a pretty strong leader, I think most would agree on that and that has benefits but you need to share power out. I'm not sure that's whats happened here. I think Farage and Yusuf seemed to get on fairly well. Who knows. Probably not really worth reading that much into it. It shows how hard the political game is though.

[Coyote]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

The scary thing is, there is a big proportion of the electorate with much more extreme views than Farage. Rupert Lowe is an open opportunist trying to exploit Farage's moderation when it comes to going full far-right and get the real dregs on board to try and take control of Reform.

I don't say that to defend Farage, he's a piece of work for very obvious reasons, but there are much worse around that nationalist right-wing periphery. The kind of people who think anyone a shade of brown is inadequate for UK citizenship, no matter their character or ambition.

[JamesWales]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

The scary thing is, there is a big proportion of the electorate with much more extreme views than Farage. Rupert Lowe is an open opportunist trying to exploit Farage's moderation when it comes to going full far-right and get the real dregs on board to try and take control of Reform.

I don't say that to defend Farage, he's a piece of work for very obvious reasons, but there are much worse around that nationalist right-wing periphery. The kind of people who think anyone a shade of brown is inadequate for UK citizenship, no matter their character or ambition.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for that comment about "shades of brown".

Ill wager that the people with the strongest views on race, gender, sexuality most definitely are not voting for Reform. They aren't on the right either.

[Coyote]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for that comment about "shades of brown".

Ill wager that the people with the strongest views on race, gender, sexuality most definitely are not voting for Reform. They aren't on the right either.

Is this supposed to be some kind of anti-woke post or something? Because, bear in mind, whilst I have no patience for restrictive political correctness and censorship, I have even less patience for those seeking to exploit my grievances with it to enable a party eerily close to the far-right into power.

And yes, given the riots we saw last year against asylum seekers, including people attempting to immolate refugees alive in Rotherham with no other knowledge about them, I'd say that yes, this does have at least somewhat of a racial facet to it, even if you personally don't have any racist intentions.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

He’s come back and, no doubt, to address the lack of coverage for Reform in the media, will be given a higher profile than before.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyv040rnqzo

[Wales-Bales]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

He’s come back and, no doubt, to address the lack of coverage for Reform in the media, will be given a higher profile than before.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyv040rnqzo

You got played again

[ninian opinian]

Re: What a bunch of clowns.

You got played again

Played by who? (Even bigger grin).

They are an absolute joke of a Ltd company and it will soon come tumbling down.