Arson Attack On Indian Restaurant In Epping

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This arson occurred in Gants Hill which is 9 miles south of Epping and a completely different community. It is about 20% white and 60% asian. Why on earth the OP decided it was in Epping is the question.

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[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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This arson occurred in Gants Hill which is 9 miles south of Epping and a completely different community. It is about 20% white and 60% asian. Why on earth the OP decided it was in Epping is the question.

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Well if its nothing to do with the far right loonies we will soon find out and I will be 50 quid out of pocket me old cockney China

[Packerman]

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Well if its nothing to do with the far right loonies we will soon find out and I will be 50 quid out of pocket me old cockney China

So an arson attack in Pontypridd occurred in aberdare by your logic. Think before you type.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Why would you jump to a conclusion about who did this Sludge? The police haven't released any information.

Also it isnt in Epping. If you read it was then it was from someone who is trying to manipulate you to tie it to other events.

The dreadful event happened in Gants Hill. It is no more Epping than Cardiff is Pontypridd.

He probably jumped to his conclusion in the same way that the thread about the Liverpool parade car asault was originally called a terrorist attack and the driver was not a 52 year old white male because someone on the Liverpool Echo message feed said so.

Conclusions are formed on beliefs about certain groups that often run way ahead of the facts, which is the case here. I don't think many people have immunity from this habit, certainly not on here!

It may well be that this attack was racially motivated and the police are supressing the profile of the perpetrators to stop local retaliation over a hot bank holiday weekend. Usually though, rumour spreads locally very quickly and people take to the streets, which does not appear to be the case here.

Equally it could be family or business related or an irate customer seeking retribution. Until there are more facts all speculation is just that.

[Eric Cartman]

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Serious question (as I haven't been paying attention) are they releasing nationality or ethnicity?

I haven't seen anything for this incident but the home office recently committed to the police releasing more information quicker.

It's a load of nonsense really, after southport some quite organised tosspots around the country decided to throw bricks at mosques and generally attack people who had nothing to do with Southport simply because they weren't white. Somehow it has become accepted that the rioters were only partially to blame for their own actions because they weren't given all the facts and that giving them the facts would have resulted in a different outcome (i.e. less rioting), I don't think so. It is pushing the idea that if the police give no information, it is acceptable for someone to assume that a Muslim or immigrant did it (i.e. exactly what happened after Southport), that isn't acceptable and playing up to these people/appeasing them is the wrong approach.

I generally agree with the sentiment that Sludge has reached a conclusion before he has the facts, but I think if I could be bothered to go back through the Southport thread I could probably find people who are critical of Sludge but who were somewhat forgiving of the rioters/assigning partial blame to the police for not revealing the facts earlier than they did.

This whole policy shift has been triggered by some of the permanently online right having egg on their faces around Southport and seeking to push the blame onto someone else after the fact. From memory they kept shifting positions before settling on this -- Recent immigrant --> Muslim who was part of terror cell --> Had a 'training manual' (which ended up being an academic study into terror tactics that anybody could download from the internet --> the police should have told us straight away that he wasn't a muslim/immigrant, its their fault we rioted.

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Absolutely shocking CCTV footage of the attackers and the attack

https://x.com/ig1ig3/status/1959192466391019705?s=61&t=MoQXHy0e8C292L6jL1zctQ

[Wales-Bales]

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Absolutely shocking CCTV footage of the attackers and the attack

https://x.com/ig1ig3/status/19591924...8C292L6jL1zctQ

The blue tracksuit top will help them with their local CCTV analysis.

[JamesWales]

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I haven't seen anything for this incident but the home office recently committed to the police releasing more information quicker.

It's a load of nonsense really, after southport some quite organised tosspots around the country decided to throw bricks at mosques and generally attack people who had nothing to do with Southport simply because they weren't white. Somehow it has become accepted that the rioters were only partially to blame for their own actions because they weren't given all the facts and that giving them the facts would have resulted in a different outcome (i.e. less rioting), I don't think so. It is pushing the idea that if the police give no information, it is acceptable for someone to assume that a Muslim or immigrant did it (i.e. exactly what happened after Southport), that isn't acceptable and playing up to these people/appeasing them is the wrong approach.

I generally agree with the sentiment that Sludge has reached a conclusion before he has the facts, but I think if I could be bothered to go back through the Southport thread I could probably find people who are critical of Sludge but who were somewhat forgiving of the rioters/assigning partial blame to the police for not revealing the facts earlier than they did.

This whole policy shift has been triggered by some of the permanently online right having egg on their faces around Southport and seeking to push the blame onto someone else after the fact. From memory they kept shifting positions before settling on this -- Recent immigrant --> Muslim who was part of terror cell --> Had a 'training manual' (which ended up being an academic study into terror tactics that anybody could download from the internet --> the police should have told us straight away that he wasn't a muslim/immigrant, its their fault we rioted.

There has been a feeling - part justified, part exaggerated - that the authorities were very quick to label a criminal as white and British if they were a suspect, but much less so if they weren't.

I think this is fairly broadly recognised now. The government as such issued new guidelines to stop the vacuum being filled by people from across the political spectrum

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ypk680pe1o

[jon1959]

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There has been a feeling - part justified, part exaggerated - that the authorities were very quick to label a criminal as white and British if they were a suspect, but much less so if they weren't.

I think this is fairly broadly recognised now. The government as such issued new guidelines to stop the vacuum being filled by people from across the political spectrum

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ypk680pe1o

Misguided in my opinion.

There is clearly an online problem of racist arson gangs assuming that anyone behind a crime - particularly a crime of violence - must be just off a boat, or at least brown skinned or Muslim - and flooding the internet before the truth can come out.

But Yvette Cooper risks feeding that warped vigilante stereotyping and Islamophobia.

[JamesWales]

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Misguided in my opinion.

There is clearly an online problem of racist arson gangs assuming that anyone behind a crime - particularly a crime of violence - must be just off a boat, or at least brown skinned or Muslim - and flooding the internet before the truth can come out.

But Yvette Cooper risks feeding that warped vigilante stereotyping and Islamophobia.

Racist arson gangs?

I think the idea is to shine a light on things more, to prevent people, from left and right from using the lack of information to make political points.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Misguided in my opinion.

There is clearly an online problem of racist arson gangs assuming that anyone behind a crime - particularly a crime of violence - must be just off a boat, or at least brown skinned or Muslim - and flooding the internet before the truth can come out.

But Yvette Cooper risks feeding that warped vigilante stereotyping and Islamophobia.

Shes another utterly useless member of the cabinet

Reeves , her , rayner , lammy , powell , kendal

Its like a bad dream watching these hopeless idiots

[JamesWales]

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Shes another utterly useless member of the cabinet

Reeves , her , rayner , lammy , powell , kendal

Its like a bad dream watching these hopeless idiots

This is definitely not what you said a year ago! Pretty certain lots of us got abused for foreseeing this!?

[Dorcus]

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Shes another utterly useless member of the cabinet

Reeves , her , rayner , lammy , powell , kendal

Its like a bad dream watching these hopeless idiots

Chuck in Sweeting as well please!!!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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This is definitely not what you said a year ago! Pretty certain lots of us got abused for foreseeing this!?

It definitely IS

I have always hated champagne socialists like rayner and her council house chums

Have a good search

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Chuck in Sweeting as well please!!!

Hes oily