Todays Budget

[goats]

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I just don't care about this orchestrated outrage about every single thing. British politics has become the Hollyoaks for old men.

What are you actually suggesting she's done wrong? Don't paste an article, just explain it why you specifically are angry.

I can personally introduce you to some of the so called angry men you constantly talk about if you want? Thing is, there not angry, they just work hard and have done 5/6 days a week since they were 16. Was in another house full of them last week, used to be prime Labour voters from big estates around Cardiff. Not anymore though…..too many lies, not enough support. You will never get it though so no point wasting anymore time on you, dorc or sludge…

[Wales-Bales]

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Only ccmb could turn 'economy in a better position than we thought' into 'grrr labour lying'.

The media spent months invoking doom and gloom every time some kind of macro indicator didn't hit a forecast precisely because reeves left herself with so little headroom that she was going to miss her rules, it's hardly surprising she's seeking a bit more.

Give your head a wobble!

[Eric Cartman]

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Uh she lied, making out there was a £20 billion pound defecit to justify tax hikes, yiu stupid ?

Do you have a quote?

I remember the press gleefully talking about the black hole she had 'created' and her speech about hard choices at the budget but I haven't seen a direct quote where she has specifically lied, might have missed it, if I have I accept the kicking.

I think the likelihood is she wanted to increase income tax to increase her headroom vs future OBR forecast and was internally blocked from doing so, her speech was setting that out and the press just ran and ran with it.

I think the OBR is probably at the end of its journey.

[Eric Cartman]

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I can personally introduce you to some of the so called angry men you constantly talk about if you want? Thing is, there not angry, they just work hard and have done 5/6 days a week since they were 16. Was in another house full of them last week, used to be prime Labour voters from big estates around Cardiff. Not anymore though…..too many lies, not enough support. You will never get it though so no point wasting anymore time on you, dorc or sludge…

I constantly talk about angry men? I didn't even talk about angry men in the post you quoted, I said you sounded angry, and you have kind of proved you are since.

Good, I'm glad you have a little support group going, would you like me to do a bulk order of flags for you and the boys?

[Eric Cartman]

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Apart from failing to initiate a Wealth Tax I don't think she has done too much wrong. However the fiscal drag is a concern for lower earners and specifically with regard to the State Pension. I think a just and common sense solution would be to exempt from paying tax all people whose only income is from the SP.

Yeah fiscal drag just feels like a country in decline but really it's a sign that the British public are stupid, they accepted frozen thresholds for years but would lose their shit at the thought of a 1% rise on all bands.

I guess the so called mansion tax is a wealth tax of sorts. Would much rather they pull their finger out and sort council tax bands out properly, call it something else, assign some of it to flat local services (like bins etc where everybody has one) and fund other services like social care and send centrally rather than continuing the status quo. It's another completely broken system left to rot by the establishment (the actual one, not the pretend one living in right-wing heads)

[North Cardiff Blue]

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John and Jane would be better off packing in work They could blame it on stress and have a wealthier lifestyle.

Or say they've got ADHD, take the cash, the free ear buds and shite, blue badge and effectively retire at 17.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I found it quite boring tbh, and budgets are one of the few things for which that isn't a grave insult.

Relatively speaking there wasn't much in it. This lack of changing the tax thresholds is starting to annoy me. A year or two is fine but keeping them as they are for the best part of a decade fundamentally changes what a high earner is. It's also an easy way to put more money in lower earners pockets.

Minimum wage going is was inevitable and good for those on it of course, but I do worry we are at a point where businesses will see cutting jobs as a means to cut costs.

Agree on a few things they did re. increasing taxes on internet deliveries, online gambling, Uber etc. Personally I would have a flat 1% tax on all internet purchases to encourage in person activities.

What else was there? The budget leak beforehand was ridiculous, but the OBRs fault it seems. Kemi Badenochs budget response was ferocious, perhaps too much so.

I don't agree with the limits to ISAs, as stock investments are risky. People shouldn't feel compelled towards them. But you can still put a grand a month in a normal ISA so I'm not that concerned about people who can afford to do that.

Mixed feelings on the two child benefit limit. I'm not convinced it's a golden ticket as Universal , credit and housing benefit are greater than child benefit. Can see why it pisses off tax payers who struggle to pay for things for their own kids too.

Markets barely moved. No bad thing. Some stability is welcome I guess, but at the same time, I can't see it changing much really.

They can allocate the additional funds in S&S cash funds; they are not particularly risky at all.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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A few takes on the reaction:

Racists like to say letÂ’s start with looking after our ownÂ…until you do and then they say you canÂ’t do that they are skivers and scroungers.

Business owners moan about taxes and costs but obviously want their own staff to work for nothing.

People with £1m houses bleat they are hard done by. Many are inherited but they whine that their ‘hard graft’ isn’t rewarded.

They all think an ambulance will arrive at their house on time financed by the tooth fairy.

It's stupid to tax a house if it's your main residence; it doesn't produce an income.

[Wales-Bales]

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You aren’t trying to defend her are you? Seriously? WTF

I don't think he understands the role of the media in all of this.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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The Tories take some beating, but this lot are surpassing all for lies and deceit…..can you imagine what the people that voted them in must be thinking, the ones that work and have a family that is….

Sludge said he couldn't wait, and they were going to change the World

Yes they have for the worse

[Eric Cartman]

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It's stupid to tax a house if it's your main residence; it doesn't produce an income.

The house doesn't pay it.

Almost every tax that isn't income/capital gains is just a way to hide revenue generation because the population won't vote for it otherwise. We have a real problem with the juxtaposition of what the country wants/what the country is willing to do to make it happen.

We must build stuff - Not near me though
We must have strong public services - Not paid for by me though

and on and on..

[Eric Cartman]

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I don't think he understands the role of the media in all of this.

Put your thoughts out there and let people respond to it..

[Wales-Bales]

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Put your thoughts out there and let people respond to it..

No need for my ramblings, Noam Chomsky - The Political Economy of the Mass Media would be a good place to start, also his book Manufacturing Consent. But don't take his word for it, do some research and learn to think for yourself. The "weapons of mass destruction" is an interesting case study, but you could open up any news site to see the truth being leveraged on a daily basis. Good luck!

[Eric Cartman]

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No need for my ramblings, Noam Chomsky - The Political Economy of the Mass Media would be a good place to start, also his book Manufacturing Consent. But don't take his word for it, do some research and learn to think for yourself. The "weapons of mass destruction" is an interesting case study, but you could open up any news site to see the truth being leveraged on a daily basis. Good luck!

I regret asking now. It's hard to find common areas of agreement with somebody is completely opposed (/scared?) to offering their own opinion, I don't think you realise how much it invalidates anything you say.

[Wales-Bales]

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I regret asking now. It's hard to find common areas of agreement with somebody is completely opposed (/scared?) to offering their own opinion, I don't think you realise how much it invalidates anything you say.

Says the person who quotes extensively from one or two news sources, and you can't even identify the narrative engineering that is taking place before your eyes.