MP's 5% Pay Rise

[MOZZER2]

MPs are to get a 5% pay rise, taking their salary to £98,599 from 1'st April

fair ?

[stevo]

Re: MP's 5% Pay Rise

I can’t remember the last time I got a 5% pay rise - if ever in my 34 years of employment?

[Dorcus]

Re: MP's 5% Pay Rise

MPs are to get a 5% pay rise, taking their salary to £98,599 from 1'st April

fair ?

Not in the least

[Heathblue]

Re: MP's 5% Pay Rise

MPs are to get a 5% pay rise, taking their salary to £98,599 from 1'st April

fair ?

With a view to getting better quality MP's, a salary of £150k, with no second job permissible, and a bonus of 50k provided the MP does 55% of the days possible in parliament, 35% in their constituency, (allows for 10% grifting & holidays) and a term limit of 10 years.(2 terms). A potential salary of 200k IMO isn't unreal in todays world for such an important job, remove any and all freebies to include the turning up allowance, fictitious directorships etc. etc.

[Eric Cartman]

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With a view to getting better quality MP's, a salary of £150k, with no second job permissible, and a bonus of 50k provided the MP does 55% of the days possible in parliament, 35% in their constituency, (allows for 10% grifting & holidays) and a term limit of 10 years.(2 terms). A potential salary of 200k IMO isn't unreal in todays world for such an important job, remove any and all freebies to include the turning up allowance, fictitious directorships etc. etc.

I am not opposed to this in principle but I don't think that will actually get better quality MPs. Candidates are primarily selected based on party/individual loyalty these days, intelligence probably comes quite far down the list of characteristics they are selected by. Then you have to get over the hurdle of the general public, who would rather vote for someone who is telling them what they want to hear, hence why political discourse is full of simple answers to complex problems. If anything, bumping up the salary just incentivises dishonest grifters entering politics.

The most astounding part of this pay rise is that 1.5% of it is essentially 'danger money'.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: MP's 5% Pay Rise

MPs are to get a 5% pay rise, taking their salary to £98,599 from 1'st April

fair ?

It's going to make public sector pay negotiations interesting because afaik nobody is getting offered that. Even the cost of living portion of the MPs increase (3.5%) is higher than I expect to get.

3.5% of their current salary is 3278
3.5% of 40k is 1400

If they try to frame their increase around 'cost of living', they should get a backlash.

If anything it is ministerial pay that is woefully shy of where it should be for the responsibility, someone in charge of the economy gets 67k more than someone who cuts ribbons and responds to angry old ladies who can't find a parking space.

[JamesWales]

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I don't really object to MPs being paid well, and their pay compared to what many of them could earn outside politics is considerable. But it is a bad look.

Irrespective, they don't set their own pay.

[Heathblue]

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I am not opposed to this in principle but I don't think that will actually get better quality MPs. Candidates are primarily selected based on party/individual loyalty these days, intelligence probably comes quite far down the list of characteristics they are selected by. Then you have to get over the hurdle of the general public, who would rather vote for someone who is telling them what they want to hear, hence why political discourse is full of simple answers to complex problems. If anything, bumping up the salary just incentivises dishonest grifters entering politics.

The most astounding part of this pay rise is that 1.5% of it is essentially 'danger money'.

Yes agreed, it does not guarantee better quality but, and it's fair to say that i didn't take as much notice regarding MP's say 30 years ago as I do now and we never had social media to expose these crooks for what they are (possibly they were just as corrupt but it was easy to hide), it would stop the career politicians who have no idea of living as a Joe or Jane Dough, it might interest some who have experience of business and real life although again you could say that 200k might not be that attractive to a successful business person, I just think that something has to be done to weed out much of the shit currently masquerading as politicians (all badges)

[Eric Cartman]

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I don't really object to MPs being paid well, and their pay compared to what many of them could earn outside politics is considerable. But it is a bad look.

Irrespective, they don't set their own pay.

The issues are 1) there are other public sector employees that aren't covered by a pay review body, so they just get offered something, which isn't calculated using evidence, and have to accept or negotiate (/strike) as a group and 2) It's pretty likely that the pay review bodies that do exist aren't entirely 'independent' and are leant on by the government to somewhat meet their own expectations, so logically they are leaning on IPSA as well.

IPSA have previously averaged out the public sector pay awards from the previous cycle and given that to MPs. I think that methodology was deeply flawed as they didn't average out similar roles or similar pay levels, just everything which meant they included jobs which got a massive uplift due to min wage rising and swallowing them up. But at least there was a sense of 'we are all in this together'.

[Wales-Bales]

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I don't really object to MPs being paid well, and their pay compared to what many of them could earn outside politics is considerable. But it is a bad look.

Irrespective, they don't set their own pay.

How much would Rachel from customer service earn outside of parliament?

[JamesWales]

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The issues are 1) there are other public sector employees that aren't covered by a pay review body, so they just get offered something, which isn't calculated using evidence, and have to accept or negotiate (/strike) as a group and 2) It's pretty likely that the pay review bodies that do exist aren't entirely 'independent' and are leant on by the government to somewhat meet their own expectations, so logically they are leaning on IPSA as well.

IPSA have previously averaged out the public sector pay awards from the previous cycle and given that to MPs. I think that methodology was deeply flawed as they didn't average out similar roles or similar pay levels, just everything which meant they included jobs which got a massive uplift due to min wage rising and swallowing them up. But at least there was a sense of 'we are all in this together'.

Yeah I agree with you. That's what I mean by 'bar look' really, because its above what other people will be receiving.

Were I an MP I would taking no more increase than the average for staff in Whitehall