The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

With that Ed Davey in charge

I thought Starmer lacked charisma

Hes a village idiot

[jon1959]

Re: The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

I din’t think the style and personal qualities of the bungee jumper are that important.

They have failed to project a principled and smart alternative agenda (vision and policies) to imploding Labour and irrelevant Tories.

Reform, the Greens, Plaid and even the SNP have taken the initiative and presented an alternative course. Some good, one bad! The Lib Dems have been left behind.

No surprise. They are still a coalition of Yellow Tories in Labour areas and the slightly more progressive option in Tory areas (and proto Greens in their traditional heartlands in the south west).

They have gained seats with the Tory collapse in 2024 but they have still not recovered from Clegg propping up Cameron in the 2010-15 coalition.

Damaged goods.

[Dorcus]

Re: The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

I din’t think the style and personal qualities of the bungee jumper are that important.

They have failed to project a principled and smart alternative agenda (vision and policies) to imploding Labour and irrelevant Tories.

Reform, the Greens, Plaid and even the SNP have taken the initiative and presented an alternative course. Some good, one bad! The Lib Dems have been left behind.

No surprise. They are still a coalition of Yellow Tories in Labour areas and the slightly more progressive option in Tory areas (and proto Greens in their traditional heartlands in the south west).

They have gained seats with the Tory collapse in 2024 but they have still not recovered from Clegg propping up Cameron in the 2010-15 coalition.

Damaged goods.

They could be pulled apart in nearly every direction (with the exception of Reform), thus ending up disembodied. The truth is they are now a throwback to far off times.

[fugsyphil]

Re: The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

With that Ed Davey in charge

I thought Starmer lacked charisma

Hes a village idiot

I have a lib Dems MP who is the lib Dems deputy chief whip whatever that means.
What he isn't is the hideous Tory woman that we had before and for that reason alone I would have him again

[JamesWales]

Re: The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

I mentioned in the other thread the other day, but aside from the good and bad results for Green, Reform and Labour, it also said a lot about Lib Dems as typically this is a seat where they would have absorbed a lot of the protest vote that went to Greens and also Reform.

They are a flexible party and will fall into gaps other parties can't reach but they will be worried they are being overlooked.

[Hilts]

Re: The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

Hes right about the likes of that vile Oakeshott.

[JamesWales]

Re: The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

Hes right about the likes of that vile Oakeshott.

Vile is a strong word. Why always so strong? Can't you just not agree with some things she says?

[Dorcus]

Re: The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

Vile is a strong word. Why always so strong? Can't you just not agree with some things she says?

Some people are just vile and she is one together with her obnoxious boyfriend. Having said that I'll grant she's fairly good looking.

[JamesWales]

Re: The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

Some people are vile, you are right. Other people just have different opinions.

[Dorcus]

Re: The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

Some people are vile, you are right. Other people just have different opinions.

Correct! I'd wager you wouldn't have described the recently deceased Ayatollah Khomeini as just "having different opinions"

[JamesWales]

Re: The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

Correct! I'd wager you wouldn't have described the recently deceased Ayatollah Khomeini as just "having different opinions"

No but he killed hundreds of thousands of people, whereas she just committed the crime of having a different opinion to Hilts. Not quite the same thing!

[Dorcus]

Re: The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

No but he killed hundreds of thousands of people, whereas she just committed the crime of having a different opinion to Hilts. Not quite the same thing!

I agree maybe not quite but just like one man's meat is another man's poison, one man's virtuous is another man's vile. Being vile is on a spectrum so it's quite in order to make valid comparisons.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

I have a lib Dems MP who is the lib Dems deputy chief whip whatever that means.
What he isn't is the hideous Tory woman that we had before and for that reason alone I would have him again

I would prefer a lib dem party to be a lot stronger than they are at present

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Lib Dems , utterly hopeless

Hes right about the likes of that vile Oakeshott.

She really is a twat