Not a good look for Reform,

[the other bob wilson]

But I wouldn’t be too critical of them here - the grifter’s party got grifted.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-sarah-pochin-ethel-mcgill-benefits-fraud-b2985228.html

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Re: Not a good look for Reform,

But I wouldn’t be too critical of them here - the grifter’s party got grifted.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2985228.html

Surprised she helped Reform as she sounds more like a Labour voter

[Tuerto]

Re: Not a good look for Reform,

Surprised she helped Reform as she sounds more like a Labour voter

Good work getting hold of an adapted bungalow, they're like rocking horse shit in cardiff.

[Tuerto]

Re: Not a good look for Reform,

Surprised she helped Reform as she sounds more like a Labour voter

All that fraud money, you'd think she'd take an easyjet to Turkey and get herself some gnashers.

[JamesWales]

Re: Not a good look for Reform,

Why are some of you so quick to post stories like this yet, for example, say absolutely nothing about stories that occur in other parties? It's weird. It doesn't suggest a concern for good standards in public office when it's all so one sided.

Nothing for example on the SNP who have helped public office within a large part of the UK for years and have just had a major scandal exposed

Odd

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Not a good look for Reform,

And as if by magic Jw , part of the nigel farage security team pops up to defend the tosssrs , yet again

Thats a turn up for the books !

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Re: Not a good look for Reform,

Why are some of you so quick to post stories like this yet, for example, say absolutely nothing about stories that occur in other parties? It's weird. It doesn't suggest a concern for good standards in public office when it's all so one sided.

Nothing for example on the SNP who have helped public office within a large part of the UK for years and have just had a major scandal exposed

Odd

The SNP aren't relevant

[Tuerto]

Re: Not a good look for Reform,

Why are some of you so quick to post stories like this yet, for example, say absolutely nothing about stories that occur in other parties? It's weird. It doesn't suggest a concern for good standards in public office when it's all so one sided.

Nothing for example on the SNP who have helped public office within a large part of the UK for years and have just had a major scandal exposed

Odd

Why don't you post a link on the SNP scandal ( i don't know what it is because i only read scandal related stuff that concerns reform) and stop concerning yourself over what other people post. And what's this 'Some of you' shit, Wilson posted it, speak to him about it.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Not a good look for Reform,

Why are some of you so quick to post stories like this yet, for example, say absolutely nothing about stories that occur in other parties? It's weird. It doesn't suggest a concern for good standards in public office when it's all so one sided.

Nothing for example on the SNP who have helped public office within a large part of the UK for years and have just had a major scandal exposed

Odd

I know you have Trumpian dictator like tendencies, but telling posters what they should and shouldn’t be posting is a new one even for you. You conveniently ignore that I said I wouldn’t be too critical of Reform on this, but I found it amusing that the party with a leader who gets undeclared £5 million “gifts” for security/compensation/reward for Brexit got conned. As for the SNP, sorry, but as a party I’ll never be governed by, I’m not as concerned by what they (or one person within it to be more accurate} do.

By the way, I wouldn’t go accusing anyone on here of whataboutry for a while because you’ll have absolutely no credibility after your post above.

[Heathblue]

Re: Not a good look for Reform,

Why are some of you so quick to post stories like this yet, for example, say absolutely nothing about stories that occur in other parties? It's weird. It doesn't suggest a concern for good standards in public office when it's all so one sided.

Nothing for example on the SNP who have helped public office within a large part of the UK for years and have just had a major scandal exposed

Odd

Taking on the CCMB establishment? Things will not end well for you James !!!!!! The Guardian and BBC cannot see under the 25 mm, 3.4 million pound door project. The former angel of the SNP is protected as royalty, don't forget it.

[JamesWales]

Re: Not a good look for Reform,

I know you have Trumpian dictator like tendencies, but telling posters what they should and shouldn’t be posting is a new one even for you. You conveniently ignore that I said I wouldn’t be too critical of Reform on this, but I found it amusing that the party with a leader who gets undeclared £5 million “gifts” for security/compensation/reward for Brexit got conned. As for the SNP, sorry, but as a party I’ll never be governed by, I’m not as concerned by what they (or one person within it to be more accurate} do.

By the way, I wouldn’t go accusing anyone on here of whataboutry for a while because you’ll have absolutely no credibility after your post above.

Don't position yourself as a victim, you can post what you like Bob. That someone calls it out doesn't mean you can't post it.

It's just utterly irrelevant and I don't understand what you get from it? Sure Tuerto will add a laughing emoji, Ninian Opinion will call someone Hitler and Sludge will rant about far-right rotters but whats the point?

There's bigger stories than endlessly cherry picking stories about Reform (and absolutely ignoring often bigger ones about other parties).

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Re: Not a good look for Reform,

Taking on the CCMB establishment? Things will not end well for you James !!!!!! The Guardian and BBC cannot see under the 25 mm, 3.4 million pound door project. The former angel of the SNP is protected as royalty, don't forget it.

What qualifies someone as "CCMB establishment" or a "big hitter" in your mind HB? Every other thread you're there going ooh you can't talk the the CCMB big hitters like that. As far as I can tell there's usually a few prolific posters either side of the debate. What's the criteria?

[Heathblue]

Re: Not a good look for Reform,

What qualifies someone as "CCMB establishment" or a "big hitter" in your mind HB? Every other thread you're there going ooh you can't talk the the CCMB big hitters like that. As far as I can tell there's usually a few prolific posters either side of the debate. What's the criteria?

Everytime don't worry Del you are included in the big boys club if you thought you were being left out

Have a great day, I'm off down the bay for a bit of lunch, glass of wine and to see a boat

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Not a good look for Reform,

Don't position yourself as a victim, you can post what you like Bob. That someone calls it out doesn't mean you can't post it.

It's just utterly irrelevant and I don't understand what you get from it? Sure Tuerto will add a laughing emoji, Ninian Opinion will call someone Hitler and Sludge will rant about far-right rotters but whats the point?

There's bigger stories than endlessly cherry picking stories about Reform (and absolutely ignoring often bigger ones about other parties).

The thing is youÂ’ve always had this way of joining a thread and acting as if youÂ’re some kind of arbitrator. There was a time when you would tell us you had a balanced outlook and, to be fair, you were better at acknowledging the other side of the argument than i for one am.

However, those days are gone now. Take Brexit for example, you were consistently for it, but I donÂ’t believe you were originally advocating as hard a line Brexit as the one we ended up with, yet you still defend it to the hilt even though formal evidence that itÂ’s working is scarce to non existent.

Similarly, in an era where parties on the extremes of the left and right are prospering more than I can ever recall them doing in my lifetime, you’ve abandoned the middle ground you used to say you occupied for a position where you consistently advocate the cause of a party which would seek a “special relationship” with America based on their current Government rather than the ones they had in the past.

YouÂ’ve moved out to the extremes displaying the same lack of patience with anyone holding different views to them that is the norm these days. IÂ’ve never set myself up as somehow who is somehow above the political fray whereas there was a time when I think you believed you were - youÂ’re not now. ItÂ’s so noticeable that you are more strident than you were and your response to a few posts IÂ’ve made lately that I thought were fairly mild (like the one I started this thread with) has surprised me by how much theyÂ’ve got you agitated in a way I donÂ’t think you would have been in the past.

[JamesWales]

Re: Not a good look for Reform,

The thing is youÂ’ve always had this way of joining a thread and acting as if youÂ’re some kind of arbitrator. There was a time when you would tell us you had a balanced outlook and, to be fair, you were better at acknowledging the other side of the argument than i for one am.

However, those days are gone now. Take Brexit for example, you were consistently for it, but I donÂ’t believe you were originally advocating as hard a line Brexit as the one we ended up with, yet you still defend it to the hilt even though formal evidence that itÂ’s working is scarce to non existent.

Similarly, in an era where parties on the extremes of the left and right are prospering more than I can ever recall them doing in my lifetime, you’ve abandoned the middle ground you used to say you occupied for a position where you consistently advocate the cause of a party which would seek a “special relationship” with America based on their current Government rather than the ones they had in the past.

YouÂ’ve moved out to the extremes displaying the same lack of patience with anyone holding different views to them that is the norm these days. IÂ’ve never set myself up as somehow who is somehow above the political fray whereas there was a time when I think you believed you were - youÂ’re not now. ItÂ’s so noticeable that you are more strident than you were and your response to a few posts IÂ’ve made lately that I thought were fairly mild (like the one I started this thread with) has surprised me by how much theyÂ’ve got you agitated in a way I donÂ’t think you would have been in the past.

There are now 5 threads about Reform (a party with barely more MPs than that?) on the first page of this forum. What's the benefit? It can't be to raise standards or concerns over governance, as that would require scrutinizing all parties, more so those actually in power! I don't see the benefit.

The extremes arent prospering more than ever before, and you need to explain what "extremes" I display please, as arguing a different point to you or suggesting a fifth Reform thread is too many certainly isn't an extreme position, especially when there are so many more important things to talk about - like for example the absolute crisis facing younger generations, which was a big story yesterday.