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      Thanhs for posting the links. Good articles.

      Here’s another interesting article from Fraser Nelson.

      The problem is not just the exploitation of a tragedy — it is the fictional picture of Britain that American populists increasingly rely upon.


      Even he has a go at the populist right (freaky Feedy won’t like that).

      Interesting stats on how despite immigration increasing violent crime is down, though you’d never think so based on some of the comments on this thread by the usual suspects.

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        Originally posted by ninian opinian View Post
        Thanhs for posting the links. Good articles.

        Here’s another interesting article from Fraser Nelson.

        The problem is not just the exploitation of a tragedy — it is the fictional picture of Britain that American populists increasingly rely upon.


        Even he has a go at the populist right (freaky Feedy won’t like that).

        Interesting stats on how despite immigration increasing violent crime is down, though you’d never think so based on some of the comments on this thread by the usual suspects.
        Fraser Nelson has become a "go to" writer since leaving the awful Spectator comic and writing for The Times.

        His substack articles are even better. He deals in facts, particularly around immigration and he regularly attacks the hard right in both this country and the USA.

        Seeing how he's "of the right" himself makes his work well worth reading.

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          Originally posted by ninian opinian View Post
          Thanhs for posting the links. Good articles.

          Here’s another interesting article from Fraser Nelson.

          The problem is not just the exploitation of a tragedy — it is the fictional picture of Britain that American populists increasingly rely upon.


          Even he has a go at the populist right (freaky Feedy won’t like that).

          Interesting stats on how despite immigration increasing violent crime is down, though you’d never think so based on some of the comments on this thread by the usual suspects.
          there is a lot to take in there, and caution should be given when reviewing the data as there are lots of gaps. However, saying that, assuming the underlying data is correct, its pretty compelling and points to a society that is getting better overall (under both Labour, then Tory then Labour again), although I'm not sure what happened between Oct 1999 and Oct 2005 in respect of murders, but there was a serious spike.

          Given the evidence I can't see how Farage and the rest of Reform could put together a case that (non-white) immigration is coterminous with increases in crime (an lets face it it is about non-white immigration, not immigration per se).

          JD Vance is just an agent provocateur and can be ignored.

          Its a sorry episode really, and making political capital out of this young lads death is Farage stirring the pot and nothing more. I'm hopeful that many of his Reform supporters will see jus how dangerous this party is, and we'll see soon enough in the Makerfield by election if this politicking has any effect on popular support.

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            Originally posted by Feedback View Post
            there is a lot to take in there, and caution should be given when reviewing the data as there are lots of gaps. However, saying that, assuming the underlying data is correct, its pretty compelling and points to a society that is getting better overall (under both Labour, then Tory then Labour again), although I'm not sure what happened between Oct 1999 and Oct 2005 in respect of murders, but there was a serious spike.

            Given the evidence I can't see how Farage and the rest of Reform could put together a case that (non-white) immigration is coterminous with increases in crime (an lets face it it is about non-white immigration, not immigration per se).

            JD Vance is just an agent provocateur and can be ignored.

            Its a sorry episode really, and making political capital out of this young lads death is Farage stirring the pot and nothing more. I'm hopeful that many of his Reform supporters will see jus how dangerous this party is, and we'll see soon enough in the Makerfield by election if this politicking has any effect on popular support.
            Nigel may have a tricky road ahead of him. If he veers too much to the right because he's afraid of Rupert's shadow then he loses masses of more moderate right wing support.

            If he relaxes the throttle on the culture wars stuff then Rupert lies in wait to gobble up the disaffected.

            He's not as safe as he thinks

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                Several more arrests today for violent disorder in Southampton

                Theres surely going to be lots more as footage shows scores of different people either hitting coppers retreating with missiles or throwing and missing ....under the law its still violent disorder

                2 years plus a possibility for that

                Never mind

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                  Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
                  Several more arrests today for violent disorder in Southampton

                  Theres surely going to be lots more as footage shows scores of different people either hitting coppers retreating with missiles or throwing and missing ....under the law its still violent disorder

                  2 years plus a possibility for that

                  Never mind
                  The question is will they regret it when/if they grow up?

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                    Originally posted by ninian opinian View Post
                    Thanhs for posting the links. Good articles.

                    Here’s another interesting article from Fraser Nelson.

                    The problem is not just the exploitation of a tragedy — it is the fictional picture of Britain that American populists increasingly rely upon.


                    Even he has a go at the populist right (freaky Feedy won’t like that).

                    Interesting stats on how despite immigration increasing violent crime is down, though you’d never think so based on some of the comments on this thread by the usual suspects.
                    That's a good, well researched article with sources for the figures used - thanks for posting it.

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                      People are too quick to criticise the police. By and large they do a good job and the vast majority of coppers do the job for the right reasons.

                      On ocassions like this they get it wrong, and whether Nowak was white or not, he shouldn't have been cuffed.

                      Do i think the police are inherently racist ? No i dont. But that's not to say they wont have racists in their ranks.

                      DEI has brought us to where we are today, and whether that is a good thing or bad thing depends on whether you look at this incident in isolation or the progress society is making as a whole.

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                        Originally posted by Feedback View Post
                        People are too quick to criticise the police. By and large they do a good job and the vast majority of coppers do the job for the right reasons.

                        On ocassions like this they get it wrong, and whether Nowak was white or not, he shouldn't have been cuffed.

                        Do i think the police are inherently racist ? No i dont. But that's not to say they wont have racists in their ranks.

                        DEI has brought us to where we are today, and whether that is a good thing or bad thing depends on whether you look at this incident in isolation or the progress society is making as a whole.
                        The problem is everything is lumped together. Should the police be trying to be more representative of the communities they serve and protect, definitely has it's benefits. Should the police be instructed to treat people differently based on race, I'd need some convincing..

                        A lot is being made of officers in this police force anonymously saying they 'felt under pressure' because of policy relating to race but honestly I'd take that with a pinch of salt because they didn't actually follow their own guidance and it's pretty common to see people try and blame anything and everything when they are being accused of doing something wrong.

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                          Originally posted by Eric Cartman View Post
                          The problem is everything is lumped together. Should the police be trying to be more representative of the communities they serve and protect, definitely has it's benefits. Should the police be instructed to treat people differently based on race, I'd need some convincing..

                          A lot is being made of officers in this police force anonymously saying they 'felt under pressure' because of policy relating to race but honestly I'd take that with a pinch of salt because they didn't actually follow their own guidance and it's pretty common to see people try and blame anything and everything when they are being accused of doing something wrong.
                          The issue you are going to get now is when the police are called, some people may feign injury, rolling around on the floor in the hope to obfuscate and create distraction.

                          Its a tough job for sure...

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                              Originally posted by Feedback View Post
                              The issue you are going to get now is when the police are called, some people may feign injury, rolling around on the floor in the hope to obfuscate and create distraction.

                              Its a tough job for sure...
                              Yup, who'd be a referee in the Premier League.

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