Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

[life on mars]

Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

Was that when Corbyn (not forgetting his 'inept cabinet') chassed all the talent out in the Chicken Coup?

I think you will find there was no chassing - just choreographed resignations (they walked) as part of a plot to destroy his leadership.

And created the unelected mess there in now, Corbyn and his like are /were bullies and that's documented and reflected in a Panaroma documentary of bullying and harrasment , and antisemitism enquiries where the party were found guilty , published social media attacks were also there for all to see . Nasty bunch.

[Doucas]

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Should the country have voted for Corbyn ,Rae, Mcdonald, Abbott ,Chapman and would we better off now ???

Probably yeah as we'd have gone some way to tackle the overiding problem across the western world in the mega rich not paying their fair share. We'd have definitely have seen less covid deaths as we would have shut down earlier too.

[Doucas]

Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

And created the unelected mess there in now, Corbyn and his like are /were bullies and that's documented and reflected in a Panaroma documentary of bullying and harrasment , and antisemitism enquiries where the party were found guilty , published social media attacks were also there for all to see . Nasty bunch.

Straight out of Rupert Murdoch's mouth.

[life on mars]

Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

Straight out of Rupert Murdoch's mouth.

No in the minds of a lot of voters who don't give a flying feck about evil Murdoch or Corbyn and his lunatic student fringe groups , both cut from the same warped ideologies just flying a different flag.

Corbyn put nutty Boris in power ( fact ) and more moderate centrist Labour party would have beaten or got closer not handover 80 seats .

[jon1959]

Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

No in the minds of a lot of voters who don't give a flying feck about evil Murdoch or Corbyn and his lunatic student fringe groups , both cut from the same warped ideologies just flying a different flag.

Corbyn put nutty Boris in power ( fact ) and more moderate centrist Labour party would have beaten or got closer not handover 80 seats .

'Fact'. That's another word you have trouble with!

[jon1959]

Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

And created the unelected mess there in now, Corbyn and his like are /were bullies and that's documented and reflected in a Panaroma documentary of bullying and harrasment , and antisemitism enquiries where the party were found guilty , published social media attacks were also there for all to see . Nasty bunch.

Corbyn's problem was that he was a weak parliamentary leader and avoided confrontation and ended up making constant concessions to his internal enemies. His mantra was always to focus on the policy not the person. I'm not sure about all those in his office, but he is and was as far from a bully as you can get. Ineffective - certainly. A bully or 'nasty bunch' - nonsense.

And what is the rest of the word soup about? The John Ware Panorama programme and the EHRC report into alleged Labour antisemitism? The first provided a platform for right wing and anti-Palestinian opponents of Corbyn to make wild and dishonest allegations. The second did not find the Labour Party guilty of institutional anti-semitism as much of the press (and you) reported. It looked into many of the Panorama allegations too. It concluded that internal processes needed to improve, that there were a handful of snti-semitic social media posts from the thousands put its way (both individuals were expelled/resigned), that 'interference' from the leaders office was done to speed up investigations, and that many of those accused (disproportionately Jewish - as you know) were not treated fairly.

Starmer and his new General Secretary Evans are still using those discredited processes with no internal or external criticism from the Labour right, from John Ware, from the Board of Deputies or from the Israeli embassy. Figure that out!

[life on mars]

Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

Corbyn's problem was that he was a weak parliamentary leader and avoided confrontation and ended up making constant concessions to his internal enemies. His mantra was always to focus on the policy not the person. I'm not sure about all those in his office, but he is and was as far from a bully as you can get. Ineffective - certainly. A bully or 'nasty bunch' - nonsense.

And what is the rest of the word soup about? The John Ware Panorama programme and the EHRC report into alleged Labour antisemitism? The first provided a platform for right wing and anti-Palestinian opponents of Corbyn to make wild and dishonest allegations. The second did not find the Labour Party guilty of institutional anti-semitism as much of the press (and you) reported. It looked into many of the Panorama allegations too. It concluded that internal processes needed to improve, that there were a handful of snti-semitic social media posts from the thousands put its way (both individuals were expelled/resigned), that 'interference' from the leaders office was done to speed up investigations, and that many of those accused (disproportionately Jewish - as you know) were not treated fairly.

Starmer and his new General Secretary Evans are still using those discredited processes with no internal or external criticism from the Labour right, from John Ware, from the Board of Deputies or from the Israeli embassy. Figure that out!

Ring Alan Johnson up he'll explain it for you .

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

Ring Alan Johnson up he'll explain it for you .

It’s a strange attitude that ignores the shambles that is happening around them while congratulating themselves about the one they think we’ve avoided by them voting for the bunch of nonentities currently in charge.

Whatiffery is all Torys have to fall back on these days.

[Doucas]

Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

No in the minds of a lot of voters who don't give a flying feck about evil Murdoch or Corbyn and his lunatic student fringe groups , both cut from the same warped ideologies just flying a different flag.

Corbyn put nutty Boris in power ( fact ) and more moderate centrist Labour party would have beaten or got closer not handover 80 seats .

Please explain how students are 'lunatic fringe'

How the hell are Corbyn and Murdoch from the same warped ideologies, that's the most mental thing I've ever seen written.

[life on mars]

Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

Please explain how students are 'lunatic fringe'

How the hell are Corbyn and Murdoch from the same warped ideologies, that's the most mental thing I've ever seen written.

Ones far left thebotherv isv far right both warped ideologies.

Labour under Corbyn behavioued like a radical student fringe group off thier heads .

This quote below on election night from Labours Alan Johnson should help you :

“Corbyn was a disaster on the doorstep. Everyone knew that he couldn’t lead the working class out of a paper bag.

Now Jon’s Lansman developed this Momentum group, this party within a party, aiming to keep the purity, the culture of betrayal goes on.

“You’ll hear it more and more now over the next couple of days as this little cult get their act together. I want them out of the party. I want Momentum gone. Go back to your student politics and your little left wing...”

[Doucas]

Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

Ones far left thebotherv isv far right both warped ideologies.

Labour under Corbyn behavioued like a radical student fringe group off thier heads .

This quote below on election night from Labours Alan Johnson should help you :

“Corbyn was a disaster on the doorstep. Everyone knew that he couldn’t lead the working class out of a paper bag.

Now Jon’s Lansman developed this Momentum group, this party within a party, aiming to keep the purity, the culture of betrayal goes on.

“You’ll hear it more and more now over the next couple of days as this little cult get their act together. I want them out of the party. I want Momentum gone. Go back to your student politics and your little left wing...”

Enough of the vagueness, give me specifics. What exactly makes students 'lunatic fringe', what policies of Corbyn were 'warped'?

[life on mars]

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Enough of the vagueness, give me specifics. What exactly makes students 'lunatic fringe', what policies of Corbyn were 'warped'?

I don't need too, just read Alan Johnson's views he was quite clear and right I've copied it for you and many millions if Labour voters understood his view and decided not to adopt the Momentum strategy.

Or Google Alan Johnson Labour MP Jon Llansman election night clash , he summed it all very well .

[jon1959]

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I don't need too, just read Alan Johnson's views he was quite clear and right I've copied it for you and many millions if Labour voters understood his view and decided not to adopt the Momentum strategy.

Or Google Alan Johnson Labour MP Jon Llansman election night clash , he summed it all very well .

Oh well, if Alan Johnson (top Blairite) said all that, who can possibly argue.

Corbyn and Momentum were two of the reasons that Labour in 2017 got 40% of the vote and it’s biggest vote share rise since 1945 - and with a very popular manifesto. Not a success - Labour didn’t win - but they came close so certainly not a disaster.

2019, with the same leader and similar manifesto they got 32% and lost badly. Corbyn was certainly less popular - but that was mainly due to 2 more years of personal attacks from the press and Labour right (including Johnson) and an incoherent policy on Brexit (forced on him by the Labour right including Starmer and Johnson)!

[life on mars]

Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

Oh well, if Alan Johnson (top Blairite) said all that, who can possibly argue.

Corbyn and Momentum were two of the reasons that Labour in 2017 got 40% of the vote and it’s biggest vote share rise since 1945 - and with a very popular manifesto. Not a success - Labour didn’t win - but they came close so certainly not a disaster.

2019, with the same leader and similar manifesto they got 32% and lost badly. Corbyn was certainly less popular - but that was mainly due to 2 more years of personal attacks from the press and Labour right (including Johnson) and an incoherent policy on Brexit (forced on him by the Labour right including Starmer and Johnson)!

Well perhaps Corbyn should have grasped the nettle and agreed with the Labour Brexit voters and campaigned to leave Europe he might of beat Johnson , we still don't know to this day what his view on Europe is or how he voted ,those who hesitate hey ????

[Doucas]

Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

I don't need too, just read Alan Johnson's views he was quite clear and right I've copied it for you and many millions if Labour voters understood his view and decided not to adopt the Momentum strategy.

Or Google Alan Johnson Labour MP Jon Llansman election night clash , he summed it all very well .

Beyond typical. Tory voter says buzzwords that they've read in a billionaire funded newspaper and can't actually explain what those buzzwords mean.

This country is thick as shit.