Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

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Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

What do you want him to say? He says he understands.
What do you want him to do? The welfare bill in the UK has never been more generous, especially considering furlough
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Genuinely now, to distinguish this from just being a hate-filled post, what do you want?

How can a privileged public school boy understand ?

You don't seriously believe he does do you ?

The welfare bill is high because there are increasing numbers of people reliant on it !

The Tories are not paying out benefits because they are nice people they are doing it because if they don't people will starve to death . Cutting 20 quid from universal credit is disgusting

Do you think it's OK?

Do you rely on any benefits ?

If you did would you miss 80 quid a month ?

I want the tossers to look after the vulnerable , that's what civilised society does .

But this lot cut 20 quid off universal credit

It clearly doesn't affect you though so carry on tory boy

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

I would have thought that given your struggles you wouldn't continue to vote for these arseholes

But you do

I find it staggering

You are like a turkey voting for Xmas

Yes I did have problems with The Governments stupid PIP assessment system.

But as I have said many times which party brought the assessments in?

And which party first brought in the idea of assessing everyone rather than a random sample when they brought ESA in?

Labour

I had to vote against Corbyn, but if there was an election now I would probably abstain

Both Starmer and Johnston need to do more to get my vote.

Johnston to stop some of the silly mistakes like the free school meal debacle and the returning of Universal Credit to its pre pandemic level.

Starmer because I am still not sure what his policies will be. I didn't want Corbyn, but not sure I want Blair mark 2 either

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Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

Yes I did have problems with The Governments stupid PIP assessment system.

But as I have said many times which party brought the assessments in?

And which party first brought in the idea of assessing everyone rather than a random sample when they brought ESA in?

Labour

I had to vote against Corbyn, but if there was an election now I would probably abstain

Both Starmer and Johnston need to do more to get my vote.

Johnston to stop some of the silly mistakes like the free school meal debacle and the returning of Universal Credit to its pre pandemic level.

Starmer because I am still not sure what his policies will be. I didn't want Corbyn, but not sure I want Blair mark 2 either

Unbelievable

You didn't like corbyn so you voted for Boris, in other words you voted tory as you always have

Yet you are a victim of PIP.......Tories.......and a victim of the social care system ......guess who privatised that ? Your lot

Yet you still vote for them

You are indeed a turkey voting for Christmas

Good luck

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

Unbelievable

You didn't like corbyn so you voted for Boris, in other words you voted tory as you always have

Yet you are a victim of PIP.......Tories.......and a victim of the social care system ......guess who privatised that ? Your lot

Yet you still vote for them

You are indeed a turkey voting for Christmas

Good luck

I haven't always voted tory.

You,sir are a purveyor of untruths

And funny how you made no response when I pointed out that It was Labour who first brought in the assessment system used for PIP when they used it on a random basis for PIP then widened it to be used for everyone under ESA.

I had to renew our DLA back in 2007 when Labour had been in power for 10 years and believe me there were many stories of those who had suffered with poorly conducted DLA random reviews.

Yet they still went ahead and made the assessment system mandatory for ESA which opened the door for the tories to do the same when they changed DLA to PIP.

I have raised this before in posts but you never seem to reply.

But of course Labour are so wonderful are they Sludge.

And why is it unbelievable that I voted Tory to stop Corbyn. Many voters who had never voted Tory did the same because they also wanted to stop him.

Our political system leaves us little choice.

Labour showed the wind. They reaped the whirlwind

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

Life expectancy was going down under the Conservatives pre Covid. That should be enough for anyone to vote for someone else because it tells you all you need to know about the inequalities of life in this country in the twenty first century under their power.

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Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

Life expectancy was going down under the Conservatives pre Covid. That should be enough for anyone to vote for someone else because it tells you all you need to know about the inequalities of life in this country in the twenty first century under their power.

Where did you get these figures from Bob?

I have found a Guardian article from 2019 which mentions iti

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/07/life-expectancy-slumps-by-five-months

but I have also found a Kings Fund article which is at first glance a bit different although there is a mass of data in there which would take a lot of time to go through.

Obviously you are blaming austerity and I am sure that is a factor, although the Kings Fund article suggests it is far more complex than that.

And before you jump to one of your erroneous assumptions which you have been so fond of doing of late no I am not saying that austerity has nothing to do with it and that the Conservative government has nothing to do with it that is not what I am saying

Juts that your short paragraph is really a bit too simplistic. The subject is far too complex than just a couple of sound bites

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Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

I missed out the Kings Fund article on my post above

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/whats-happening-life-expectancy-england

I also realise that my last but one paragraph is clumsily phrased and repetitive I meant to change it before posting, but I was too late to edit it. I think the sense of what I meant is there though.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

https://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/latest/2021/02/uklifeexpectancydeclining/

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/23/why-is-life-expectancy-falling

https://theconversation.com/life-expectancy-in-britain-has-fallen-so-much-that-a-million-years-of-life-could-disappear-by-2058-why-88063

https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l1123

[life on mars]

Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

Where did you get these figures from Bob?

I have found a Guardian article from 2019 which mentions iti

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/07/life-expectancy-slumps-by-five-months

but I have also found a Kings Fund article which is at first glance a bit different although there is a mass of data in there which would take a lot of time to go through.

Obviously you are blaming austerity and I am sure that is a factor, although the Kings Fund article suggests it is far more complex than that.

And before you jump to one of your erroneous assumptions which you have been so fond of doing of late no I am not saying that austerity has nothing to do with it and that the Conservative government has nothing to do with it that is not what I am saying

Juts that your short paragraph is really a bit too simplistic. The subject is far too complex than just a couple of sound bites

Indeed especially when you look at things like weather impacts , consumption of alcohol and drugs, obesity ( whe are one of the best at these poor health habits ) .

The Tories are not in charge In Scotland and Glasgow has some horrendous life expectancy figures ( their winters are tough for the elderly as well, again not a Tory issue)

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

Indeed especially when you look at things like weather impacts , consumption of alcohol and drugs, obesity ( whe are one of the best at these poor health habits ) .

The Tories are not in charge In Scotland and Glasgow has some horrendous life expectancy figures ( their winters are tough for the elderly as well, again not a Tory issue)

Talk about desperate. Are you seriously suggesting that “weather impacts”, consumption of alcohol and drugs and obesity only started happening after the Tories won in 2010? Was Scotland a picture of perfect health before 2010?

[life on mars]

Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

Talk about desperate. Are you seriously suggesting that “weather impacts”, consumption of alcohol and drugs and obesity only started happening after the Tories won in 2010? Was Scotland a picture of perfect health before 2010?

I am saying that consumption of alcohol and drugs and obesity plays a huge part in life expectancy , and those habits have increased over the last 5 years , you can't just we to point in one political direction , whats your answer to increasing one life expectancy.