Sir Kiers Speech

[Eric Cartman]

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Yes I would say narrow mindedness landed the party first with Ed Miliband in 2010 , when David was by far the better option, broader thinker and progressive choice .

In 2015 its party voters narrowed it self even further by choosing Corbyn , Yvette Cooper would have made a wonderful leader and yes its first female one . ( wonder when they will deliver a female leader ?? )

Democracy is fine, trouble is the Labour members who elect its leaderv don't really represent actual voters ,if they did they'd have more success at election time ,the iparty members are radical , ideology driven and yes narrow minded .

They would be in power now if the party politics was not so narrow minded ,full of old 70's style in fighting .

A brave set of modern progressive policies is needed for Labour to lift it out of its fog , I sincerely hope they appear .

The 400,000+ members of the Labour party are all radicals, are they? You understand these 'radicals' also voted overwhelmingly for Keir too?

[Elwood Blues]

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The 400,000+ members of the Labour party are all radicals, are they? You understand these 'radicals' also voted overwhelmingly for Keir too?

I don't think by any means all of the Labour Party members are radical, but I would have thought a lot of those who joined the party in 2015 when Corbyn became leader probably are.

I wonder if a lot of those who voted overwhelmingly for Sir Keir are wondering whether they made the wrong choice, especially after the conference last week.

[jon1959]

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I don't think by any means all of the Labour Party members are radical, but I would have thought a lot of those who joined the party in 2015 when Corbyn became leader probably are.

I wonder if a lot of those who voted overwhelmingly for Sir Keir are wondering whether they made the wrong choice, especially after the conference last week.

A lot of the people (mainly young) who joined Labour because they were inspired by Corbyn have left. Membership is down under Starmer and Evans from 570,000 to 400,000.

I'm sure a lot of the members who voted for Starmer in the leadership election are doing more than wonder if they made the wrong choice. He stood on a platform of 10 Pledges, a commitment to build on the 2017 Manifesto, and a promise to unite the party. He has trashed every promise he made. If he had been honest he would not have won.

Interesting that next year's Labour Party Conference is in Liverpool. Starmer was heckled in Brighton - I wonder what the response will be next year (if he is still leader) after his op-ed piece in The Sun this weekend.

[life on mars]

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The critical fact is found in election results and we have seen so many Labour defeats, the last being the worse since 1935 , against such a weak government , that suggests Labour membership , movement , grassroots and momentum do not represent modern UK or its voters .

I would love a decent new vibrant opposition , not one lost in the past , or fear of change , or hatred of Blair or the Tories , its not about us or them politics , for me that is the main issues within the Labour ranks .

[Elwood Blues]

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A lot of the people (mainly young) who joined Labour because they were inspired by Corbyn have left. Membership is down under Starmer and Evans from 570,000 to 400,000.

I'm sure a lot of the members who voted for Starmer in the leadership election are doing more than wonder if they made the wrong choice. He stood on a platform of 10 Pledges, a commitment to build on the 2017 Manifesto, and a promise to unite the party. He has trashed every promise he made. If he had been honest he would not have won.

Interesting that next year's Labour Party Conference is in Liverpool. Starmer was heckled in Brighton - I wonder what the response will be next year (if he is still leader) after his op-ed piece in The Sun this weekend.

Liverpool's Labour politicians weren't impressed

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/merseyside-labour-mps-accuse-keir-starmer-of-e2-80-98betrayal-e2-80-99-over-article-in-the-sun-newspaper/ar-AAP6y02

[life on mars]

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There a rumour abound about 3 dissatisfied Labour MP's with Sir Kier they have been in talks with Tories ,not sure if there is any thing behind it as that would be strange as I though he was heading to the centre ??

https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/03/three-labour-mps-could-defect-to-tories-as-they-despair-with-keir-starmer-15356064/

I presume the Labour Party will then refer to them as scum

[Eric Cartman]

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There a rumour abound about 3 dissatisfied Labour MP's with Sir Kier they have been in talks with Tories ,not sure if there is any thing behind it as that would be strange as I though he was heading to the centre ??

https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/03/three-labour-mps-could-defect-to-tories-as-they-despair-with-keir-starmer-15356064/

I presume the Labour Party will then refer to them as scum

I saw the other day and it seems like the biggest bullshit story of the year. Who could they actually be? The people who are dissatisfied with Keir right now would slit their own throats before joining the conservative party.

[life on mars]

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I saw the other day and it seems like the biggest bullshit story of the year. Who could they actually be? The people who are dissatisfied with Keir right now would slit their own throats before joining the conservative party.

Think your right.

Its does sound a bit far fetched , kier sounds a bit lije a soft sort of Blairsim , refered to some of Blair / Browns positive social achievements as a positive in his speech .

Surely it wouldn't be the nutty Momentum gang , unless its right that the Tories are now the working mans party?? and Labour is becoming a Left Liberal Metropolitan type party ( Champagne Socialism not liked up North ) , plenty to play out yet me thinks , it not all happy at home inside Labour ?

[jon1959]

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There a rumour abound about 3 dissatisfied Labour MP's with Sir Kier they have been in talks with Tories ,not sure if there is any thing behind it as that would be strange as I though he was heading to the centre ??

https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/03/three-labour-mps-could-defect-to-tories-as-they-despair-with-keir-starmer-15356064/

I presume the Labour Party will then refer to them as scum

I saw the other day and it seems like the biggest bullshit story of the year. Who could they actually be? The people who are dissatisfied with Keir right now would slit their own throats before joining the conservative party.

Fair bit of speculation about who the 'Reg Prentice 3' might be - if they exist.

Most looking at Ian Murray and any of the other right wingers who didn't quite summon the courage of their warped convictions to join the Change UK split in February 2019. Other speculation centres on the serial publicity seekers (take your pick) - or Rosie Duffield seeking a more comfortable transphobic home.

I suppose some on the Labour right may have decided Kier Starmer is not enough of a useful idiot to ensure a return to the Blairite 'golden age' and their seats and salaries are in danger. At least Ian Murray has a wardrobe full of union jack waistcoats to choose from if his next party conference is the Tory one!

[life on mars]

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Fair bit of speculation about who the 'Reg Prentice 3' might be - if they exist.

Most looking at Ian Murray and any of the other right wingers who didn't quite summon the courage of their warped convictions to join the Change UK split in February 2019. Other speculation centres on the serial publicity seekers (take your pick) - or Rosie Duffield seeking a more comfortable transphobic home.

I suppose some on the Labour right may have decided Kier Starmer is not enough of a useful idiot to ensure a return to the Blairite 'golden age' and their seats and salaries are in danger. At least Ian Murray has a wardrobe full of union jack waistcoats to choose from if his next party conference is the Tory one!

Argh Rosie Duffield , the lady who felt unsafe to attend a Labour party conference .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/19/labour-mp-appalled-that-rosie-duffield-feels-unable-to-attend-conference

Groundhog Day for those who have a different view .

[jon1959]

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Argh Rosie Duffield , the lady who felt unsafe to attend a Labour party conference .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/19/labour-mp-appalled-that-rosie-duffield-feels-unable-to-attend-conference

Groundhog Day for those who have a different view .

I don’t know if she ever felt unsafe or that was just suggested as a line for her as it worked well for a few of her former colleagues in previous years when they were trying to demonise their political opponents in the party. Nothing like suggesting the need for a police escort to garner press sympathy and deflect from the real issues of difference.

Anyway she dropped that idea long before the Labour conference and said instead that she was not attending because she didn’t want her views on trans rights to be a distraction from Kier’s big relaunch.

For what it’s worth (based on accounts of friends who campaigned for her in 2019) I don't think she is likely to defect to the blue rosette lot.

[Eric Cartman]

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Argh Rosie Duffield , the lady who felt unsafe to attend a Labour party conference .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/19/labour-mp-appalled-that-rosie-duffield-feels-unable-to-attend-conference

Groundhog Day for those who have a different view .

She was photographed in Brighton at a fringe event seemingly without the need for any protection and not looking fearful for her life, so I think it's probably a good idea to take that whole twitter storm with a pinch of salt.

That being said, she is one who could make the transition, so to speak.

[life on mars]

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She was photographed in Brighton at a fringe event seemingly without the need for any protection and not looking fearful for her life, so I think it's probably a good idea to take that whole twitter storm with a pinch of salt.

That being said, she is one who could make the transition, so to speak.

It is all a bit strange if its all to be believed , she isn't the first women in the Party with an outspoken view ,that's felt threatened or received social media comments ?

If a party ever needed a female leader its Labour , I actually think it would enhance its position ,attract floating voters, Yvette Copper in my humble view would be a good choice , very bright , intelligent, experienced and eloquent .