The Donald Trump thread

[Heisenberg]

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I found the documentary on YouTube for those who may be interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOqszjh_9es

'Jonestown - The Life and Death of People's Temple'

[Wales-Bales]

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I found the documentary on YouTube for those who may be interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOqszjh_9es

'Jonestown - The Life and Death of People's Temple'

I read an in-depth article on Jonestown and they never once mentioned Kool-Aid. In fact, until today I never knew there was any connection. The expression itself has been in general usage for as long as I can remember, and like many such phrases there is no direct link to its origins. I've never even thought of it in terms of a cult either, but more of a lack of critical thinking, and repeating the same behaviours.

[Wales-Bales]

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For those of you who thought Saint Bob was a God with special exoneration powers..

AG Barr's special Russia investigator John Durham obtained BlackBerrys tied to launch of FBI Russia-Trump probe

"The FBI and special counsel Robert Mueller have always contended that Mr. Mifsud was a Russian asset. Mr. Mueller’s final report made no mention of the numerous associations Mr. Mifsud maintained with Western diplomats and intelligence figures."

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/17/john-durham-ag-barrs-special-russia-investigator-o/

[jon1959]

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Just for you old timer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid

I never made it past Irn Bru!

[life on mars]

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My attitude with Trump has always been look at the man (because it's always a man) rather than the politics, but that article does a good job of showing that he is not alone. For example, we have a Prime Minister who told his sister he wanted to be "King of the World" when he was five - while that could be something that a kid might come out with at that age I suppose, it could be said that it says a lot about the man he has become.

"Preening self regard" is a phrase which puts me in mind of someone from a long time ago, but there are more than a few heirs apparent to that aspect of Mussolini's character around today.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump...VWnqwf9Ulf-15i

Yep agree, every leader of a party falls into that mode ,they ard mostly self serving narcissists, its not just the blonde twins.

[lardy]

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Yep agree, every leader of a party falls into that mode ,they ard mostly self serving narcissists, its not just the blonde twins.

Are you sure you're agreeing with Bob? I don't think he said every leader of a party is like that.

[lardy]

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When the dust settles on this bonkers week, this remains:

The President’s chief of staff publicly admitted Trump withheld security aid from Ukraine unless they helped him undermine Hillary Clinton.

The literal definition of an aid-for-political help quid pro quo.

— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) October 18, 2019

[Wales-Bales]

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TDS in action

While having lunch with @RandPaul in California, we got verbally assaulted by these aggressive libs complaining about incivility. Check out the vid! #unhinged pic.twitter.com/IdOTdc3pOC

— Sergio Gor (@SergioGor) October 18, 2019

[Heisenberg]

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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/466519-mcconnell-trumps-troop-pull-back-in-syria-a-grave-strategic-mistake

That's now two of Trump's closest allies in the senate to criticise him this week regarding Syria.

[Wales-Bales]

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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ategic-mistake

That's now two of Trump's closest allies in the senate to criticise him this week regarding Syria.

He was elected on a promise to curtail overseas military involvement, and all he did in Syria was withdraw 28 military personnel from the border area who were placed there as a "tripwire". If anything had happened to them there would have been a huge escalation in the conflict.

[jon1959]

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He was elected on a promise to curtail overseas military involvement, and all he did in Syria was withdraw 28 military personnel from the border area who were placed there as a "tripwire". If anything had happened to them there would have been a huge escalation in the conflict.

'All he did was withdraw 28 military personnel'?

Utter nonsense.

What he did was a telephone call with Erdogan where he gave the green light for accelerated invasion, ethnic cleansing and all out attack on the Kurdish forces that his government had previously regarded as allies.

Then almost a week later panicked in the face of almost universal condemnation (especially from his Republican mates) and tried to half backtrack. Far too late. The Pence/Pompeo mission to Turkey got a few days partial pause in the attack but otherwise confirmed the position Trump took originally with Erdogan.

Getting out of Syria (or anywhere else the US has put its military) is never just about troops- it is what chaos is left behind and who is given a free run to fill the political/military vacuum. I suspect Trump has got to where he is now through stupidity, ignorance and ineptitude rather than as part of some ingenious master-plan, but that doesn't help Kurdish kids being shelled with white phosphorous.

[Heisenberg]

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'All he did was withdraw 28 military personnel'?

Utter nonsense.

What he did was a telephone call with Erdogan where he gave the green light for accelerated invasion, ethnic cleansing and all out attack on the Kurdish forces that his government had previously regarded as allies.

Then almost a week later panicked in the face of almost universal condemnation (especially from his Republican mates) and tried to half backtrack. Far too late. The Pence/Pompeo mission to Turkey got a few days partial pause in the attack but otherwise confirmed the position Trump took originally with Erdogan.

Getting out of Syria (or anywhere else the US has put its military) is never just about troops- it is what chaos is left behind and who is given a free run to fill the political/military vacuum. I suspect Trump has got to where he is now through stupidity, ignorance and ineptitude rather than as part of some ingenious master-plan, but that doesn't help Kurdish kids being shelled with white phosphorous.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-troops-fighter-jets-saudi-arabia-iran

You've got it all wrong, Jon. All Trump did was send 1,800 military personnel to Saudi Arabia after withdrawing the "28 military personnel" from Syria... to help curtail US overseas military involvement.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-tro...di-arabia-iran

You've got it all wrong, Jon. All Trump did was send 1,800 military personnel to Saudi Arabia after withdrawing the "28 military personnel" from Syria... to help curtail US overseas military involvement.

If only the Kurds had spent a bit more in Trump hotels.....or had oil instead of lots of sand the outcome could have been a tad different I guess!

[Heisenberg]

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If only the Kurds had spent a bit more in Trump hotels.....or had oil instead of lots of sand the outcome could have been a tad different I guess!

It's depressing.

"They’ve got a lot of sand over there. So, there’s a lot of sand that they can play with. Let them fight their own wars" was the line that he used to talk about the potential deaths of innocent civilians.

But wait... there's this tweet from 2014 too...

Saudi Arabia should fight their own wars, which they won't, or pay us an absolute fortune to protect them and their great wealth-$ trillion!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 31, 2014

What he's doing is completely obvious and indefensible.

[Wales-Bales]

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'All he did was withdraw 28 military personnel'?

Utter nonsense.

What he did was a telephone call with Erdogan where he gave the green light for accelerated invasion, ethnic cleansing and all out attack on the Kurdish forces that his government had previously regarded as allies.

Then almost a week later panicked in the face of almost universal condemnation (especially from his Republican mates) and tried to half backtrack. Far too late. The Pence/Pompeo mission to Turkey got a few days partial pause in the attack but otherwise confirmed the position Trump took originally with Erdogan.

Getting out of Syria (or anywhere else the US has put its military) is never just about troops- it is what chaos is left behind and who is given a free run to fill the political/military vacuum. I suspect Trump has got to where he is now through stupidity, ignorance and ineptitude rather than as part of some ingenious master-plan, but that doesn't help Kurdish kids being shelled with white phosphorous.

US forces were never authorised by Congress to be in Syria, so I am not sure how anybody can criticize it.