The Donald Trump thread

[life on mars]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

Let me try to help you with this.

Neo-nazis are not the Nazis they are new groups who share the same ideology. They are real and they are now.

Three years ago there was a Unite the Right march in Charlottesville. This was defined by a torchlit parade (reminiscent of the original Nazis) chanting "Jews will not replace us".

Understandably, particularly if you recognise anti-semitism in all its guises, there was a counter demonstration. During it a counter-demonstrator was run over and killed by someone affiliated to the Unite the Right movement.

Donald Trumpo's response to this was there are some "very fine people" protesting and counter protesting (ie the protesters and the neo-nazis with their naked anti-semitism were broadly equivalent in his eyes.)

As someone who has called out Corbyn and the gang at every opportunity in extremely moralistic terms about reports of anti-semitism in the Labour party you must feel really grubby sticking up for Trump on the basis that he has not pursued neo-nazis, rather tried to cultivate their support.

This is what happens, Nazi is Nazi, and everyone knows what it stands for , your slipping into Ken Livingstons world and his inappropriate use of terminologies.

Corbyn and his like, deserved everything that got a Boris goverment.

I deplore Trump and the use of the word Nazi , and when others use it, its not a word go be thrown around frivolously , still waiting for Corbyn’s apology to Labours voters .

It all has a smell , Nazi supporters , Antisemitism .

[cyril evans awaydays]

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This is what happens, Nazi is Nazi, and everyone knows what it stands for , your slipping into Ken Livingstons world and his inappropriate use of terminologies.

Corbyn and his like, deserved everything that got a Boris goverment.

I deplore Trump and the use of the word Nazi , and when others use it, its not a word go be thrown around frivolously , still waiting for Corbyn’s apology to Labours voters .

It all has a smell , Nazi supporters , Antisemitism .

Why do you deplore the use of the word Nazis or Neo-Nazis or if someone tries to seek equivalence between then than now? Do you think if no-one uses it the generations that have no first or second hand experience of what fascism and ultra-nationalism have done to the world will think it's just some kind of label and they should shut up?

[life on mars]

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Why do you deplore the use of the word Nazis or Neo-Nazis or if someone tries to seek equivalence between then than now? Do you think if no-one uses it the generations that have no first or second hand experience of what fascism and ultra-nationalism have done to the world will think it's just some kind of label and they should shut up?

I've just cancelled my vote for your Nobel Peace prize I'm going for Gemma Collins .

It's an appalling word as is the antisemitism that spouts from folks mouth so easily , some people still have a connection to those atrocious , casually using the terminologies is a bad as racism, gay insults or descriptions , words are words , some folk find there use upsetting .

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I've just cancelled my vote for your Nobel Peace prize I'm going for Gemma Collins .

It's an appalling word as is the antisemitism that spouts from folks mouth so easily , some people still have a connection to those atrocious , casually using the terminologies is a bad as racism, gay insults or descriptions , words are words , some folk find there use upsetting .

I'll try to unpick your contra-argument.

I was about to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize but you cancelled your nomination to vote for a superficial media personality instead because I questioned whether your commitment to anti-semitism as I challenged your understanding of the difference between a nazi and a neo-nazi.

Are we done here or do you need a chat with your friend Jack?

[jon1959]

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I've just cancelled my vote for your Nobel Peace prize I'm going for Gemma Collins .

It's an appalling word as is the antisemitism that spouts from folks mouth so easily , some people still have a connection to those atrocious , casually using the terminologies is a bad as racism, gay insults or descriptions , words are words , some folk find there use upsetting .

You find the terminology 'neo nazi' upsetting?

I find David Duke and Richard Spencer - and all their neo-Nazi followers who openly support Trump - upsetting.

Even worse is Trump's willingness to 'casually' praise and encourage them.

Equally disturbing is the network of neo-Nazis, white supremacists and various hard-core religious fundamentalists that generate the ideology behind Trump - not one he could describe, but he is surrounded by its architects.

Trump is not a fascist - he many things but not that. But he has many of them in his tent, and many directing his Presidency and preaching to his base.

It is a shame you will not face up to that and choose instead to have a hissy fit about entirely accurate and appropriate terminology.

[lardy]

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This is what happens, Nazi is Nazi, and everyone knows what it stands for , your slipping into Ken Livingstons world and his inappropriate use of terminologies.

Corbyn and his like, deserved everything that got a Boris goverment.

I deplore Trump and the use of the word Nazi , and when others use it, its not a word go be thrown around frivolously , still waiting for Corbyn’s apology to Labours voters .

It all has a smell , Nazi supporters , Antisemitism .

Unfortunately if you compare the early days of the Nazis and trump's actions, there are similarities

[Wales-Bales]

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[the other bob wilson]

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Anyone watch the debate? It was just ending as I switched on and the reaction was one of saying that the whole thing had been a waste of time as the candidates just exchanged insults as a weak supervisor looked on. From what I can gather, the pundits tended to feel it just about favoured Biden because he didn't have any disasters, whereas all Trump did was appeal to his base when he needed to be picking up some of the what seems to be small number of undecided voters - I can't say whether I agree or disagree with this because I didn't watch, but it seems to have been an unedifying spectacle.

[Jordi Culé]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

Anyone watch the debate? It was just ending as I switched on and the reaction was one of saying that the whole thing had been a waste of time as the candidates just exchanged insults as a weak supervisor looked on. From what I can gather, the pundits tended to feel it just about favoured Biden because he didn't have any disasters, whereas all Trump did was appeal to his base when he needed to be picking up some of the what seems to be small number of undecided voters - I can't say whether I agree or disagree with this because I didn't watch, but it seems to have been an unedifying spectacle.

Like yourself Bob I didn’t watch it but in fairness to Trump he set a new precedent for a sitting American president by addressing a neo facist and white supremacist group to “Stand Back and Stand By...”

He’s such a man of the people.

It been described an a “shitshow...” by one political commentator.

[lardy]

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Like yourself Bob I didn’t watch it but in fairness to Trump he set a new precedent for a sitting American president by addressing a neo facist and white supremacist group to “Stand Back and Stand By...”

He’s such a man of the people.

It been described an a “shitshow...” by one political commentator.

The people out to defend Trump over the comment are, well let's say they're struggling a bit.

Just an incredible, oblivious own of Trump here from Rick Santorum pic.twitter.com/V59xPa43Xr

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 30, 2020

[lardy]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

Anyone watch the debate? It was just ending as I switched on and the reaction was one of saying that the whole thing had been a waste of time as the candidates just exchanged insults as a weak supervisor looked on. From what I can gather, the pundits tended to feel it just about favoured Biden because he didn't have any disasters, whereas all Trump did was appeal to his base when he needed to be picking up some of the what seems to be small number of undecided voters - I can't say whether I agree or disagree with this because I didn't watch, but it seems to have been an unedifying spectacle.

I haven't seen it but have seen the clips, and this is a pretty comprehensive live tweet thread of them.

Trump needs undecideds to come his way if he's going to win the election cleanly, and I can't see how anyone not already in his camp would be persuaded by this.

The Trump-Biden debate, moderated by Chris Wallace, is about to begin. Follow for a video thread. pic.twitter.com/njxCUv51ug

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 30, 2020

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I haven't seen it but have seen the clips, and this is a pretty comprehensive live tweet thread of them.

Trump needs undecideds to come his way if he's going to win the election cleanly, and I can't see how anyone not already in his camp would be persuaded by this.

You might have thought that if you were selling the narrative of a gaffe-prone, senile, sleepy, basement dwelling, drugged up opponent that if there were kernels of truth in that line of attack you would give Biden enough time and space to hang himself.

Seems like Trump did the opposite and by constantly interrupting and over-talking denied any opportunity for Biden to descend into a rambling stream of consciousness.

Perhaps after 4 years of people fawning over him Trump can no longer cope with direct criticism of his "achievements" and personality so lobbing firecrackers every couple of minutes was preferable to listening to someone talking him down. Even if the latter approach was more electorally beneficial.

[lardy]

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You might have thought that if you were selling the narrative of a gaffe-prone, senile, sleepy, basement dwelling, drugged up opponent that if there were kernels of truth in that line of attack you would give Biden enough time and space to hang himself.

Seems like Trump did the opposite and by constantly interrupting and over-talking denied any opportunity for Biden to descend into a rambling stream of consciousness.

Perhaps after 4 years of people fawning over him Trump can no longer cope with direct criticism of his "achievements" and personality so lobbing firecrackers every couple of minutes was preferable to listening to someone talking him down. Even if the latter approach was more electorally beneficial.

Well that was the trade-off. Let Biden speak and appear slow and past it, but risk him landing some heavy blows as there's a lot to criticise.

Strategy wise it's hard to know what the plan was, particularly as Chris Christie, part of trump's debate prep team, said after on ABC that this wasn't the strategy they planned for. Was that a bluff or was trump doing his own thing?

I suspect he likes the clips from the Clinton debate (you'd be in jail) and wanted more of the same

[surge]

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Those against Donald Trump have easy takeaways, making sure press report accurately: that Trump was cause of the "shitshow" and prompted white supremacists to take action, but interesting to see what the pro-Trump crowd think.

White House press secretary:

Watching Cuomo-Lemon late night anchoring tells you what you need to know about tonight:

- “Exactly what @realDonaldTrump wanted”

- Joe met a “pretty low bar”

- Did @JoeBiden remove concerns? “Doubt it.”

https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/...89073621659648

Joe Biden was LIGHT on substance, HEAVY on confusion. President @realDonaldTrump just exposed that Biden is an Empty Suit to be filled by the Radical Left puppeteers!

https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/...34481823264768

“Name one police group that supports you!”
“We have time!!”

President @realDonaldTrump leaves Joe Biden SPEECHLESS

https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/...25392468647936

“In 47 months, I’ve done more than you’ve done in 47 years!”

- President @realDonaldTrump to Joe Biden

https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/...19922651713543

Trump's primary approach seems to make people fear Biden's presidency. His secondary approach seems to be wanting people to see that jobs increased during his past four years. Most are saying it was a dreadful night for American politics and with Trump needing to reverse polling figures he lost out most, but polls suggested Hilary won the debates and she did not win the presidency.

[life on mars]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

You find the terminology 'neo nazi' upsetting?

I find David Duke and Richard Spencer - and all their neo-Nazi followers who openly support Trump - upsetting.

Even worse is Trump's willingness to 'casually' praise and encourage them.

Equally disturbing is the network of neo-Nazis, white supremacists and various hard-core religious fundamentalists that generate the ideology behind Trump - not one he could describe, but he is surrounded by its architects.

Trump is not a fascist - he many things but not that. But he has many of them in his tent, and many directing his Presidency and preaching to his base.

It is a shame you will not face up to that and choose instead to have a hissy fit about entirely accurate and appropriate terminology.

Your every free and lose with your name calling ,up the revolution