The Donald Trump thread

[Dorcus]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

It's as much to do with me finding your Nazi references ignorant as it is to do with you mistaking a fairly common occurrence with some historically significant horrific event 👍

Id like to say that's the silliest thing you've said all day, but it's only the silliest thing you've said in the last half hour!

Of course, when people compare any old event that may be controversial, distasteful or against their wishes to Nazi Germany, you do not highlight fascism you merely trivialize it. Fascism is one of the most horrific ideologies in history (there's your condemnation) and the Nazi's were the most evil regime in human history. Me objecting to the casual use of them as references to modern day America (particularly the firing of a civil servant) is perfectly reasonable and prevents the word being entirely devalued. There are far better words and references to use!

If you say it's silly then I know it's certainly not. It means you're shitting your pants

[JamesWales]

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If you say it's silly then I know it's certainly not. It means you're shitting your pants

Id like to say that's the silliest thing you've said in the last half hour, but it's just the silliest thing you've said in the last five minutes! 😘

[Wales-Bales]

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They’re not though. Keep up.

If a country lowers their own tariffs they will get a lower tariff in return.

[Rjk]

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Some of the more interesting things I've seen on these new tariffs are trying to figure out how they've been worked out - it seems a little bit haphazard.

they've calculated the trade deficit with each country or region, divided by the total amount of imports and divided by 2 to get the new tarrifs.

With a minimum figure of 10%.
Only based on goods - not services.

Nothing to do with what the tarrifs are applied on the US by those other countries, just purely based on trade deficit. So not entirely sure how they are supposed to be reciprocal.

[Rjk]

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If a country lowers their own tariffs they will get a lower tariff in return.

no they wont

[Wales-Bales]

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no they wont

Trump himself said the tariffs could be zero.

[JamesWales]

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Some of the more interesting things I've seen on these new tariffs are trying to figure out how they've been worked out - it seems a little bit haphazard.

they've calculated the trade deficit with each country or region, divided by the total amount of imports and divided by 2 to get the new tarrifs.

With a minimum figure of 10%.
Only based on goods - not services.

Nothing to do with what the tarrifs are applied on the US by those other countries, just purely based on trade deficit. So not entirely sure how they are supposed to be reciprocal.

Yeah they had a formula on Newsnight late night but no one could make too much sense of it. It's like tariffs + trade deficit - lines on the US flag + the RAL colour of Donald's face.

I do think within a few months though the US may well have better terms of trade than they did at the beginning of this week and the ongoing uncertainty will lead to some on-shoring of jobs to US factories

[Wales-Bales]

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Yeah they had a formula on Newsnight late night but no one could make too much sense of it. It's like tariffs + trade deficit - lines on the US flag + the RAL colour of Donald's face.

I do think within a few months though the US may well have better terms of trade than they did at the beginning of this week and the ongoing uncertainty will lead to some on-shoring of jobs to US factories

Why listen to filtered and likely biased news when you can get it directly from the horses mouth? The liberal media hate Trump and they would take great pleasure in helping to bring about his downfall.

[the other bob wilson]

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Why listen to filtered and likely biased news when you can get it directly from the horses mouth? The liberal media hate Trump and they would take great pleasure in helping to bring about his downfall.

Still on the fence I see. Wonder why there’s no tariffs for Russia?

[Wales-Bales]

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Still on the fence I see. Wonder why there’s no tariffs for Russia?

Same applies to the right wing media, they are all full of it. In 2025 you shouldn't need any news organisation to tell you what is going on.

[jon1959]

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Why listen to filtered and likely biased news when you can get it directly from the horses mouth? The liberal media hate Trump and they would take great pleasure in helping to bring about his downfall.

Of course it is important to listen to the serial liar, with little grasp of details, who changes his mind depending on who last had an audience to flatter him, and whose mental faculties are rapidly following what we now know as ‘the Biden Curve’.

Maybe a horse would be a more reliable source of information?

If you had said we should listen to the ideologues behind the policy - like Stephen Miller or Peter Navarro - then I would agree.

There is surely a plan behind the Tariff Wars. For Trump it is a headline, a way of getting world leaders to fawn over him, and a short term bonanza to fund tax cuts for his rich mates. Although he talks about recreating the US manufacturing sector of the 1950s I doubt that is really the endgame. Can’t happen anyway.

The brains behind the throne have a political vision to be achieved by economic disruption. I would be amazed if Trump understands or cares about where it is going. It is about a different group of actors in control of the neo liberal circus - not an end to it.

[Wales-Bales]

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Of course it is important to listen to the serial liar, with little grasp of details, who changes his mind depending on who last had an audience to flatter him, and whose mental faculties are rapidly following what we now know as ‘the Biden Curve’.

Maybe a horse would be a more reliable source of information?

If you had said we should listen to the ideologues behind the policy - like Stephen Miller or Peter Navarro - then I would agree.

There is surely a plan behind the Tariff Wars. For Trump it is a headline, a way of getting world leaders to fawn over him, and a short term bonanza to fund tax cuts for his rich mates. Although he talks about recreating the US manufacturing sector of the 1950s I doubt that is really the endgame. Can’t happen anyway.

The brains behind the throne have a political vision to be achieved by economic disruption. I would be amazed if Trump understands or cares about where it is going. It is about a different group of actors in control of the neo liberal circus - not an end to it.

Why do people need journalistic spin when they can listen to the actual press conferences?

[az city]

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Yeah they had a formula on Newsnight late night but no one could make too much sense of it. It's like tariffs + trade deficit - lines on the US flag + the RAL colour of Donald's face.

I do think within a few months though the US may well have better terms of trade than they did at the beginning of this week and the ongoing uncertainty will lead to some on-shoring of jobs to US factories

Trump, like you, has no understanding of basic macroeconomics. He doesn't understand the importance of including services in measuring trade deficits and the idea of the balance of payments would probably blow his (and your) mind.

Basic facts may stymie your sycophantic ravings. Like, tariffs on US goods were running in low single digits in most cases. So, Trump imposed 20% tariffs on countries that had 2% tariffs on US goods. That isn't reciprocal. What's his "phenomenal" deal going to be? He'll cut his tariff to 10% if the other country cuts theirs to 1%?

The "formula" for the tariffs was clearly made up by Musk's kid with his crayons on his visit to the Oval Office. (Actually, the BBC has clearly defined the lunatic method.)

You just can't stop lauding Trump. You're his useful idiot on here.

[az city]

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Why do people need journalistic spin when they can listen to the actual press conferences?

You think the journos are the culprits? Trump does more spinning than Dead or Alive.

[JamesWales]

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Trump, like you, has no understanding of basic macroeconomics. He doesn't understand the importance of including services in measuring trade deficits and the idea of the balance of payments would probably blow his (and your) mind.

Basic facts may stymie your sycophantic ravings. Like, tariffs on US goods were running in low single digits in most cases. So, Trump imposed 20% tariffs on countries that had 2% tariffs on US goods. That isn't reciprocal. What's his "phenomenal" deal going to be? He'll cut his tariff to 10% if the other country cuts theirs to 1%?

The "formula" for the tariffs was clearly made up by Musk's kid with his crayons on his visit to the Oval Office. (Actually, the BBC has clearly defined the lunatic method.)

You just can't stop lauding Trump. You're his useful idiot on here.

Sycophantic rantings 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Yes I wrote about what they put on newsnight in the hope that Trump would see it on this message board and it would benefit me.