The Donald Trump thread

[JamesWales]

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Come on James you must see that Trump being given a $400m jet by Qatar weeks after his company got a deal for a luxury resort and golf course there smells a bit. If you sell yourself as the drain the swamp guy don't be surprised when people come at you for this

I don't dispute it. But is it even true?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/qatar-trump-boeing-jet-gift-palace-b2749081.html

But my point is, it's just the guardian being the guardian. They will find a negative in anything, so when he damages relationships abroad they will focus on that. When he appears to get on well w
Ith other nations then they will just go with some random negative speculation.

What bugs me is, as I say, that it's so obvious. It's so obviously driven by giving readers what they want to read to drive up ad revenue.

[stevo]

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I don't dispute it. But is it even true?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/qatar-trump-boeing-jet-gift-palace-b2749081.html

But my point is, it's just the guardian being the guardian. They will find a negative in anything, so when he damages relationships abroad they will focus on that. When he appears to get on well w
Ith other nations then they will just go with some random negative speculation.

What bugs me is, as I say, that it's so obvious. It's so obviously driven by giving readers what they want to read to drive up ad revenue.

You mean like The Daily Mail, Express, Fox News, etc. all do?

[lardy]

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I don't dispute it. But is it even true?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/qatar-trump-boeing-jet-gift-palace-b2749081.html

But my point is, it's just the guardian being the guardian. They will find a negative in anything, so when he damages relationships abroad they will focus on that. When he appears to get on well w
Ith other nations then they will just go with some random negative speculation.

What bugs me is, as I say, that it's so obvious. It's so obviously driven by giving readers what they want to read to drive up ad revenue.

It does read like you're disputing it.

"I think it's a great gesture from Qatar. Appreciate it very much," Trump said. "I would never be one to turn down that kind of an offer. I mean, I could be a stupid person and say, 'No, we don't want a free, very expensive airplane.' But it was, I thought it was a great gesture."

Trump also seems to think he's getting one. There are laws, even the constitution itself, that the president can't accept gifts from foreign leaders. This is such a blatantly over the top the bribe, absolutely no one else would go near accepting it, that it seems like it's Trump reminding everyone that he's completely untouchable and from can do exactly as he likes.

[jon1959]

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I'd be worried if Trump got a blue one and his missus got a pink one!

Is it the colour of the bribes that would worry you, or the number and scale?

Although to be fair to you, your acceptance of industrial-scale corruption, influence peddling and constitution breaking is completely in line with the majority in Congress. No shame, no shock. Welcome to MAGA World.

[JamesWales]

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You mean like The Daily Mail, Express, Fox News, etc. all do?

Yes, that's exactly what I mean! It's just people think the guardian et al is different, and it isn't!

[JamesWales]

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It does read like you're disputing it.



Trump also seems to think he's getting one. There are laws, even the constitution itself, that the president can't accept gifts from foreign leaders. This is such a blatantly over the top the bribe, absolutely no one else would go near accepting it, that it seems like it's Trump reminding everyone that he's completely untouchable and from can do exactly as he likes.

Sorry, I meant I don't dispute what Delmbox said. If it is a new plane for him personally, then clearly it's an inappropriate gift. If it's for presidential use, I dunno..

But my wider point remains. Why weren't we talking about the US president meeting with these leaders, and the huge geopolitical outcomes from that? That's the story.

[az city]

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Sorry, I meant I don't dispute what Delmbox said. If it is a new plane for him personally, then clearly it's an inappropriate gift. If it's for presidential use, I dunno..

But my wider point remains. Why weren't we talking about the US president meeting with these leaders, and the huge geopolitical outcomes from that? That's the story.

He is the principal beneficiary of the use of a luxury jet and you don't see any story in it? Come off it.

BTW there's a decent bet to be had that all the deals with the US will turn out to benefit him and his entourage.

The story IS industrial scale corruption and cronyism.

You're defending the orange man baby again.

[JamesWales]

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He is the principal beneficiary of the use of a luxury jet and you don't see any story in it? Come off it.

BTW there's a decent bet to be had that all the deals with the US will turn out to benefit him and his entourage.

The story IS industrial scale corruption and cronyism.

You're defending the orange man baby again.

I'm saying there's bigger issues at play to speculation about a jet. Which given there are two wars going on in the middle east at the moment, and the US is the key global player,I would say is a pretty valid thing to say. What were they even talking about in this conference? Any discussion on that?

The reality is some people will just look for a bad story everywhere. I agree entirely if he is accepting a private gift of a multimillion pound jet then it is absolutely wrong.

[lardy]

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I'm saying there's bigger issues at play to speculation about a jet. Which given there are two wars going on in the middle east at the moment, and the US is the key global player,I would say is a pretty valid thing to say. What were they even talking about in this conference? Any discussion on that?

The reality is some people will just look for a bad story everywhere. I agree entirely if he is accepting a private gift of a multimillion pound jet then it is absolutely wrong.

You're absolutely right James. Let's be serious. Time to check in on what Trump has been saying about being a key global player with the two wars going on in the middle east.

Trump to Emir of Qatar: "As a construction guy.. this is perfect marble. This is what they call perfecto… and we appreciate those camels. Haven’t seen camels like that in a long time." pic.twitter.com/K6DAWc8tDK

— EssenViews (@essenviews) May 14, 2025

[az city]

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You're wrong. The deals, foreign policy, domestic policy is all about Tramp. He would offer up anything to anyone to aggrandize himself. That is the story. You're falling for the eye candy.

[lardy]

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Sorry, I meant I don't dispute what Delmbox said. If it is a new plane for him personally, then clearly it's an inappropriate gift. If it's for presidential use, I dunno..

But my wider point remains. Why weren't we talking about the US president meeting with these leaders, and the huge geopolitical outcomes from that? That's the story.

This is an interesting tale about a gift from a foreign government. In short, the Soviets bugged the Americans for seven years. I would imagine that it would be quite easy nowadays to do this again - but this time it's Air Force One! Any serious government should be getting major alarm bells at this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)

[JamesWales]

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This is an interesting tale about a gift from a foreign government. In short, the Soviets bugged the Americans for seven years. I would imagine that it would be quite easy nowadays to do this again - but this time it's Air Force One! Any serious government should be getting major alarm bells at this.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_...tening_device)

Let's hope the intelligence agencies check CCMB cos this is probably something that hadn't been considered!

[lardy]

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Let's hope the intelligence agencies check CCMB cos this is probably something that hadn't been considered!

Let's hope they don't, they might see your posts and go looking for something useful that came out of Trumps conferences to end the wars!

[stevo]

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Trump's critics and supporters unite against Qatar plane deal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg4zk22n9wo

[stevo]

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Yes, that's exactly what I mean! It's just people think the guardian et al is different, and it isn't!

But I've never known you call out right wing media for what it is.