care costs

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this seems very fair

[ninian opinian]

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LIAR, CORRUPT JOHNSON at it again.

And don’t get me started on the clowns speech yesterday, all to detract from this.

The Tory’s never, ever change their spots. Wake up!

[Doucas]

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Thank god we live in Wales where we look to be at least trying to do thr opposite. If you voted for these tory crooks you are a fool.

[life on mars]

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An article on well worth reading on the growing care costs in Wales

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51357547

There are thresholds and caps in Wales .

Before we get all excited one fact maybe worth considering in that Wales has an ageing population.

2008 : 18 per cent of the population was over 65
By 2033 this is expected to rise to almost 26 per cent.

A tax rise of between 1% to 3%

Gething suggests cost is predicted to grow between £30m and £300m by 2023.

[JamesWales]

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LIAR, CORRUPT JOHNSON at it again.

And don’t get me started on the clowns speech yesterday, all to detract from this.

The Tory’s never, ever change their spots. Wake up!

The proposed system is vastly vastly superior than what currently exists or what existed under the last Labour govt.

Perfect, no? But you should be able to consider it rationally without such extreme conclusions

[the other bob wilson]

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The proposed system is vastly vastly superior than what currently exists or what existed under the last Labour govt.

Perfect, no? But you should be able to consider it rationally without such extreme conclusions

Comparisons with previous Governments become increasingly pointless as the years pass, the longer one party has been in power, the more irrelevant the previous Government becomes. A Tory MP trying to hold the last Labour Government to account in 1996 for a problem of that time would sound ridiculous because their party had been in power for seventeen years and the same applies the other way round when Labour had been in power for twelve years in 2009. After eleven years of the Conservatives in charge, we’re in the same position again - the world has changed a lot since 2010.

[life on mars]

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The proposed system is vastly vastly superior than what currently exists or what existed under the last Labour govt.

Perfect, no? But you should be able to consider it rationally without such extreme conclusions

No one is ever rational when it comes to the matters of social care , health care , education, policing etc etc, nothing is ever going to be enough as it's a political point scoring exercise, if there was a balanced funding policy to all this funding surely a political party would be voted back in power over and over again ( hang on) ?

Equally if thier policies were dreadful they'd be voted out ??

[Doucas]

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Equally if thier policies were dreadful they'd be voted out ??

Lol not when you have the entire UK media telling you they're good policies..

[JamesWales]

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Comparisons with previous Governments become increasingly pointless as the years pass, the longer one party has been in power, the more irrelevant the previous Government becomes. A Tory MP trying to hold the last Labour Government to account in 1996 for a problem of that time would sound ridiculous because their party had been in power for seventeen years and the same applies the other way round when Labour had been in power for twelve years in 2009. After eleven years of the Conservatives in charge, we’re in the same position again - the world has changed a lot since 2010.

I agree really, the world keeps turning, but the proposals represent a sea change, it's entirely positive and transformative for those with less wealth.

The graph shown is fairly. Of course those who have a million in the bank will still be better off after spending the same amount on care than someone with less. You'd have to be a communist to think we should all leave this earth with the exact same sum in the bank.

As stated, these changes are positive and I'm increasingly tired of party political games over everything.

[life on mars]

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Lol not when you have the entire UK media telling you they're good policies..

I think normal people in the street are not fully controlled by the media as some think , one would know if they were suffering and feeling injustices were applied to them , media control its an old favourite narrative but a dated one , political popularity and success is more to do with being in touch with the working / middle class thinking and tapping into that , even if we don't support or believe in it .

[Eric Cartman]

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The proposed system is vastly vastly superior than what currently exists or what existed under the last Labour govt.

Perfect, no? But you should be able to consider it rationally without such extreme conclusions

If you wanted a rational conversation about this you would have skimmed over that comment and replied to the OP. That graphic is pretty damning and I was interested that the BBC ran with something so honest.

[JamesWales]

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If you wanted a rational conversation about this you would have skimmed over that comment and replied to the OP. That graphic is pretty damning and I was interested that the BBC ran with something so honest.

It's not damning at all. Care costs broadly the same. It's like saying that if a holiday costs £1000 and you only have a £5000 in the bank then the holiday uses up a fifth of your income but if you have £100,000 in the bank it uses up 1%

Well no ****ing shit. That's not evil, that's not Tory scum stuff, that's the real world. You somehow want wealthier people to be charged £1000 a day for care instead of £100 so they all end up with nothing? What is it you want?

The fact is, before, poorer people could lose nearly everything, now they don't. Problem is the kind of people who produce this far-left guff are typically so bloody middle class nowadays, so absent from economic reality that they have no idea what happens on the ground and thus think graphics like that are damning.

Does my head in.

[JamesWales]

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I think normal people in the street are not fully controlled by the media as some think , one would know if they were suffering and feeling injustices were applied to them , media control its an old favourite narrative but a dated one , political popularity and success is more to do with being in touch with the working / middle class thinking and tapping into that , even if we don't support or believe in it .

What else could explain why people would possibly have a different opinion to Doucus other than the fact that they are inherently stupid and unable to think for themselves and are totally controlled by the media though?

Obviously he is immune to it, but everyone else...completely controlled!

[Eric Cartman]

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I think normal people in the street are not fully controlled by the media as some think , one would know if they were suffering and feeling injustices were applied to them , media control its an old favourite narrative but a dated one , political popularity and success is more to do with being in touch with the working / middle class thinking and tapping into that , even if we don't support or believe in it .

Not so sure about that. The amount of people who repeat verbatim slogans, headlines and sound bites when asked their opinion is not a coincidence.

[Eric Cartman]

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It's not damning at all. Care costs broadly the same. It's like saying that if a holiday costs £1000 and you only have a £5000 in the bank then the holiday uses up a fifth of your income but if you have £100,000 in the bank it uses up 1%

Well no ****ing shit. That's not evil, that's not Tory scum stuff, that's the real world. You somehow want wealthier people to be charged £1000 a day for care instead of £100 so they all end up with nothing? What is it you want?

The fact is, before, poorer people could lose nearly everything, now they don't. Problem is the kind of people who produce this far-left guff are typically so bloody middle class nowadays, so absent from economic reality that they have no idea what happens on the ground and thus think graphics like that are damning.

Does my head in.

Typically rational and well thought out response.

Does a wealthy person pay more for their child's state education than a poorer person, does a wealthy person pay for more their NHS care than a poorer person, does a wealthy person pay more for policing in their area compared to a poorer person. Do I need to go on?

With this system we will have a progressive system of taxation for healthcare until you reach old age when effectively (for the vast majority) a flat tax kicks in. It is clear that governments of the UK are not keen to tax accumulated wealth in the way they do income, this is driven by lord knows what but isnt sustainable given current economic patterns and therefore is entirely irrational.