Labour Leader They Should Have Had

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

Labour should have a leader for each of their factions (how about Burgon for the left and Mandelson for the right?) to allow them to get on with what they seem to think is their primary function - tearing themselves apart while allowing the Conservative party to do as they please. They are letting down not only existing Labour voters, but also those in England and Waleswho believe that any Government should have an effective opposition to hold it to account.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

Tony Benn was the original champagne socialist.

Corbyn , Benn , Abbott , completely inept

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

Labour should have a leader for each of their factions (how about Burgon for the left and Mandelson for the right?) to allow them to get on with what they seem to think is their primary function - tearing themselves apart while allowing the Conservative party to do as they please. They are letting down not only existing Labour voters, but also those in England and Waleswho believe that any Government should have an effective opposition to hold it to account.

Absolutely, its embarrassing stuff

[JamesWales]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

Sludge makes a very good point about Labour in Scotland. It's a big loss of what would be perhaps 30-40 seats each election.

I've voted Labour generally but I will change my vote and I live in a seat that flips Labour / Tory so tbh I am the kind of person who winning parties need to attract.

For me to go back to Labour they need to do a few things.

1 / Get a competent leader. They now have this. He's not exciting but he's sensible, moderate, realistic etc

2 / Move on from Brexit. Honestly, Labour flirting with a second referendum genuinely repulsed me. I thought it absolutely disgusting. How dare they try to overturn what the people (and the overwhelming majority of poorer people) voted for. They have to accept it, talk about the future and what they will do with new powers.

3 / linked to the above, they need to respect voters more. A lot of Labour activists on social media really do not come across well at all. Very rude and disrespectful. It puts people off. When Angela Rayner calls people scum, in my opinion she called me scum for voting Tory in 2019. That didn't win me round. If she said that in an election campaign, that alone would lose them my vote.

4 / stop be so fkn woke. Just reign it in. Most of it is divisive bollocks that doesn't improve many lives. Stick to solid policies that will improve working people's lives. It really does come across that a lot of Labour types don't like this country much. It's always very negative and I get tired of it. Millions do.

5 / Show some economic competence. This is rapidly improving from the Corbyn etc but still needs some work. I get a lot of it is the yah boo of party politics but when they just ask for more funding for thigns that simply isn't viable. I want to know how they will find things properly.

Personally I think Andy Burnham is absolutely fantastic. Lisa Nandy is alright. Cooper, Benn, Starmer, Milliband, all competent. They need someone patriotic, respectful, not into identify politics and moderate though. Starmer is probably as close as it gets

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

Sludge makes a very good point about Labour in Scotland. It's a big loss of what would be perhaps 30-40 seats each election.

I've voted Labour generally but I will change my vote and I live in a seat that flips Labour / Tory so tbh I am the kind of person who winning parties need to attract.

For me to go back to Labour they need to do a few things.

1 / Get a competent leader. They now have this. He's not exciting but he's sensible, moderate, realistic etc

2 / Move on from Brexit. Honestly, Labour flirting with a second referendum genuinely repulsed me. I thought it absolutely disgusting. How dare they try to overturn what the people (and the overwhelming majority of poorer people) voted for. They have to accept it, talk about the future and what they will do with new powers.

3 / linked to the above, they need to respect voters more. A lot of Labour activists on social media really do not come across well at all. Very rude and disrespectful. It puts people off. When Angela Rayner calls people scum, in my opinion she called me scum for voting Tory in 2019. That didn't win me round. If she said that in an election campaign, that alone would lose them my vote.

4 / stop be so fkn woke. Just reign it in. Most of it is divisive bollocks that doesn't improve many lives. Stick to solid policies that will improve working people's lives. It really does come across that a lot of Labour types don't like this country much. It's always very negative and I get tired of it. Millions do.

5 / Show some economic competence. This is rapidly improving from the Corbyn etc but still needs some work. I get a lot of it is the yah boo of party politics but when they just ask for more funding for thigns that simply isn't viable. I want to know how they will find things properly.

Personally I think Andy Burnham is absolutely fantastic. Lisa Nandy is alright. Cooper, Benn, Starmer, Milliband, all competent. They need someone patriotic, respectful, not into identify politics and moderate though. Starmer is probably as close as it gets

They are all old faces , get them out of the way

Burnham is a good guy but even if he was in charge I still think the mountain is too high

Time for a new party

[bobh]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

Corbyn , Benn , Abbott , completely inept

PLEASE don't mention Abbot in a thread about potential Labour leaders.

[JamesWales]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

They are all old faces , get them out of the way

Burnham is a good guy but even if he was in charge I still think the mountain is too high

Time for a new party

What kind of new party? Wokey, middle class, guardian, £3.85 coffees, yellow EU stars on Facebook profile pics?

Or

Wetherspoons, factory workers, tabloid, less PC, more working class?

Hard for Labour to have both

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

What kind of new party? Wokey, middle class, guardian, £3.85 coffees, yellow EU stars on Facebook profile pics?

Or

Wetherspoons, factory workers, tabloid, less PC, more working class?

Hard for Labour to have both

The party is called

Abolish the whole thing , merge with the liberals and other interested groups , stop splitting the anti tory vote

Get a leader like paddy ashdown in charge but tell him to keep his hands off the secretary

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

Sludge makes a very good point about Labour in Scotland. It's a big loss of what would be perhaps 30-40 seats each election.

I've voted Labour generally but I will change my vote and I live in a seat that flips Labour / Tory so tbh I am the kind of person who winning parties need to attract.

For me to go back to Labour they need to do a few things.

1 / Get a competent leader. They now have this. He's not exciting but he's sensible, moderate, realistic etc

2 / Move on from Brexit. Honestly, Labour flirting with a second referendum genuinely repulsed me. I thought it absolutely disgusting. How dare they try to overturn what the people (and the overwhelming majority of poorer people) voted for. They have to accept it, talk about the future and what they will do with new powers.

3 / linked to the above, they need to respect voters more. A lot of Labour activists on social media really do not come across well at all. Very rude and disrespectful. It puts people off. When Angela Rayner calls people scum, in my opinion she called me scum for voting Tory in 2019. That didn't win me round. If she said that in an election campaign, that alone would lose them my vote.

4 / stop be so fkn woke. Just reign it in. Most of it is divisive bollocks that doesn't improve many lives. Stick to solid policies that will improve working people's lives. It really does come across that a lot of Labour types don't like this country much. It's always very negative and I get tired of it. Millions do.

5 / Show some economic competence. This is rapidly improving from the Corbyn etc but still needs some work. I get a lot of it is the yah boo of party politics but when they just ask for more funding for thigns that simply isn't viable. I want to know how they will find things properly.

Personally I think Andy Burnham is absolutely fantastic. Lisa Nandy is alright. Cooper, Benn, Starmer, Milliband, all competent. They need someone patriotic, respectful, not into identify politics and moderate though. Starmer is probably as close as it gets

Right, we know the standards you expect from Labour before you vote for them, I’d be fascinated to know if you have any you expect from the current governing party (especially in light of the news which broke last night) before they get your support?

[Doucas]

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'Kill migrants to appeal to the working classes'

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

The party is called

Abolish the whole thing , merge with the liberals and other interested groups , stop splitting the anti tory vote

Get a leader like paddy ashdown in charge but tell him to keep his hands off the secretary

If voters currently perceive a huge tension between the left and the right of the Labour party I can't see how joining forces with other political entities will help one iota. Until the left v right conflict subsides it's unlikely that the Labour Party will be electable even when the Conservatives are performing absolutely abysmally. My personal opinion (worth sod all in the great scheme of things) is that Labour has no option but to move away from the left of the party that seems to have more in common with the 1970's rather than the 2020's.
The likes of Corbyn and Abbott will never attract the middle ground of voters and where the floating contingent lies.
I think it unfortunate that the SDP never really took hold and that the Lib Dems faded into obscurity when the likes of Vince Cable departed the leadership. The Conservatives are an unholy mess and riddled with corruption but they seem to have a direction, a factor that the floating voters seem to go for.

[life on mars]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

The party is called

Abolish the whole thing , merge with the liberals and other interested groups , stop splitting the anti tory vote

Get a leader like paddy ashdown in charge but tell him to keep his hands off the secretary

Amen Sadly a lot of Labour voters liked Corbyn and that has damaged them as they see any other version is a lite Tory which is very narrow minded in my view , as the Tory party are part middle left these days , Blair could have lead the current party in power with ease , its was the left sided Osborne that brought in the triple lock ???

I cant relate Thatcherism to this Tory party , I'm sure there are some vague shades still existing, however in realty its more of a centralist party these days and that is where Labour are heading , and very much in line with your comments .

I don't think Sir Kier is the answer Labour needs to break their behaviour, and give the role to a centralists woman with style /intelligence/eloquence i.e. Yvette Cooper , not Angela Raynor , Abbott , Rebecca Long-Bailey .

If not let Jess Phillips she is wonderful to listen too and resonates with the electorate I'm sure the North would love her .

[JamesWales]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

Right, we know the standards you expect from Labour before you vote for them, I’d be fascinated to know if you have any you expect from the current governing party (especially in light of the news which broke last night) before they get your support?

I would expect continued economic competence (judged by falling unemployment, rising wages, GDP growth etc), a broadly libertarian approach to things, a push back against identity politics and a continued positive vision of what the country can become in the future.

I have to say, my opinion of the government, Johnson in particular is significantly shaken at present. If there were an election tomorrow, it would be pretty 50/50 who got my vote.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

I would expect continued economic competence (judged by falling unemployment, rising wages, GDP growth etc), a broadly libertarian approach to things, a push back against identity politics and a continued positive vision of what the country can become in the future.

I have to say, my opinion of the government, Johnson in particular is significantly shaken at present. If there were an election tomorrow, it would be pretty 50/50 who got my vote.

Cheers

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

I would expect continued economic competence (judged by falling unemployment, rising wages, GDP growth etc), a broadly libertarian approach to things, a push back against identity politics and a continued positive vision of what the country can become in the future.

I have to say, my opinion of the government, Johnson in particular is significantly shaken at present. If there were an election tomorrow, it would be pretty 50/50 who got my vote.

To add my two penn'orth if there was an election tomorrow I wouldn't leave the house (Nor get a postal vote).
Unless he rdeeems himself greatly in the next couple of years( including much of what you say and more besides) I am unlikely to vote for a party lead by Boris again

I only voted last time because I detested Corbyn so much.

I'm yet to be convinced by Sir Keir. Bringing back Yvette Cooper was a good step. I've never particularly liked her but she is undoubtedy an articulate and competent politician.