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  • #16
    Re: Taking the piss.

    Pure hypocrisy and lies from Johnson when you are reminded of what he was saying a month ago;-



    Don't forget as well that the Cabinet Secretary mentioned by the PM had to step down from conducting the inquiry into Christmas "gatherings" in 2020 because he had hosted parties of his own!

    Anyone who is still defending Johnson can only be some sort of forelock tugger who truly believes that the rules should not apply to their "betters" like heads of state and Royalty.

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    • #17
      Re: Taking the piss.

      Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
      Pure hypocrisy and lies from Johnson when you are reminded of what he was saying a month ago;-



      Don't forget as well that the Cabinet Secretary mentioned by the PM had to step down from conducting the inquiry into Christmas "gatherings" in 2020 because he had hosted parties of his own!

      Anyone who is still defending Johnson can only be some sort of forelock tugger who truly believes that the rules should not apply to their "betters" like heads of state and Royalty.

      They broke the rules because they knew they were bullshit

      They broke the rules because they knew the people at the party would not be at risk. (The P.M’s Personal protection would have vetoed it otherwise)

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      • #18
        Re: Taking the piss.

        Originally posted by TWGL1 View Post
        They broke the rules because they knew they were bullshit

        They broke the rules because they knew the people at the party would not be at risk. (The P.M’s Personal protection would have vetoed it otherwise)
        They broke the rules because they had total contempt for the public.

        I hope that is reciprocated at the ballot box - but it probably won't be.

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        • #19
          Re: Taking the piss.

          Originally posted by jon1959 View Post
          They broke the rules because they had total contempt for the public.

          I hope that is reciprocated at the ballot box - but it probably won't be.

          There is no way that party ( or any others ) would have taken place without a thorough risk assessment before hand. Clearly the P.M’s advisors, medical staff , bodyguards, thought he and other high ranking government members were ok to attend.

          There was no vaccine at the time either .

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          • #20
            Re: Taking the piss.

            Originally posted by TWGL1 View Post
            There is no way that party ( or any others ) would have taken place without a thorough risk assessment before hand. Clearly the P.M’s advisors, medical staff , bodyguards, thought he and other high ranking government members were ok to attend.

            There was no vaccine at the time either .
            How on earth can you know that? Even if you're right, it's an absolutely terrible look because 99 per cent of the population did not have such risk assessments beforehand, they were just told they could not do it. It's being reported that there were widespread misgivings among many in Downing Street about the party going ahead.

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            • #21
              Re: Taking the piss.

              It still went ahead regardless of misgivings, and the people who had these misgivings kept quiet about it until it was leaked yesterday.

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              • #22
                Re: Taking the piss.

                Originally posted by TWGL1 View Post
                It still went ahead regardless of misgivings, and the people who had these misgivings kept quiet about it until it was leaked yesterday.
                And your point is? You said there would have been risk assessments carried out, you're only guessing that and, frankly, with this Government under this Prime Minister, I would not be the least bit surprised if there wasn't. Even if there was, it was still a flagrant breaking of the rules which cannot be fobbed off this time as a work meeting - you need to cast your mind back to what it was like in May 2020, bring a bottle parties were not allowed if I remember rightly.

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                • #23
                  Re: Taking the piss.

                  Originally posted by TWGL1 View Post
                  There is no way that party ( or any others ) would have taken place without a thorough risk assessment before hand. Clearly the P.M’s advisors, medical staff , bodyguards, thought he and other high ranking government members were ok to attend.

                  There was no vaccine at the time either .
                  Bollox! The party took place because Bodger wanted a piss up.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Taking the piss.

                    Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
                    And your point is? You said there would have been risk assessments carried out, you're only guessing that and, frankly, with this Government under this Prime Minister, I would not be the least bit surprised if there wasn't. Even if there was, it was still a flagrant breaking of the rules which cannot be fobbed off this time as a work meeting - you need to cast your mind back to what it was like in May 2020, bring a bottle parties were not allowed if I remember rightly.

                    Sage, at this time, were predicting a reasonable worst-case planning scenario, of 250,000 deaths which was why the public didn’t require to have a risk assessment.

                    Those who attended the gathering must have had a risk assessment, based on the modelling. If they didn’t I personally couldn’t see how the party would have been authorised. But that is my take on it, unless they thought the SAGE modelling was questionable?

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                    • #25
                      Re: Taking the piss.

                      Originally posted by TWGL1 View Post
                      Sage, at this time, were predicting a reasonable worst-case planning scenario, of 250,000 deaths which was why the public didn’t require to have a risk assessment.

                      Those who attended the gathering must have had a risk assessment, based on the modelling. If they didn’t I personally couldn’t see how the party would have been authorised. But that is my take on it, unless they thought the SAGE modelling was questionable?

                      https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-29-march-2020
                      I have read your first sentence a number of times and still don't have a scooby what it means. That's notwithstanding the fact that the document you attached says nothing whatsoever about 250k deaths, which I presume you got from Imperial College's initial analysis of what would happen if no restrictions were imposed.

                      Witter on about risk analysis all you like. This is about the people who made the rules living by a completely different set. Pure and simple!

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                      • #26
                        Re: Taking the piss.

                        Originally posted by TWGL1 View Post
                        There is no way that party ( or any others ) would have taken place without a thorough risk assessment before hand. Clearly the P.M’s advisors, medical staff , bodyguards, thought he and other high ranking government members were ok to attend.

                        There was no vaccine at the time either .
                        A risk assessment is obtainable via Freedom of Information. Plus, if there had been one, d'ya not think that our great and esteemed leaders would want to keep it quiet? I doubt that lot had the fortitude to fake one, pre-date it, scrunch it up, stand on it and suck on the edges a bit. They're liars, but even sh*t at that.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Taking the piss.

                          Originally posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
                          A risk assessment is obtainable via Freedom of Information. Plus, if there had been one, d'ya not think that our great and esteemed leaders would want to keep it quiet? I doubt that lot had the fortitude to fake one, pre-date it, scrunch it up, stand on it and suck on the edges a bit. They're liars, but even sh*t at that.
                          Correction...dy'a think....

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                          • #28
                            Re: Taking the piss.

                            Originally posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
                            I have read your first sentence a number of times and still don't have a scooby what it means. That's notwithstanding the fact that the document you attached says nothing whatsoever about 250k deaths, which I presume you got from Imperial College's initial analysis of what would happen if no restrictions were imposed.

                            Witter on about risk analysis all you like. This is about the people who made the rules living by a completely different set. Pure and simple!

                            Sage predicted 250,000 deaths at the time apologies if it’s the incorrect documentation, perhaps you could post the reasons for the initial lockdown and figures quoted ( I’m sure you are acutely aware of what I was trying to say )

                            A risk assessment would have been undertaken, ( even something like have you had a cold in the last 28 days, are any family members displaying symptoms or high risk etc ).


                            Up to 100 people were at the party, not withstanding bar staff, security, and they would have been in contact with many taxi drivers taking them to and from the venue.

                            The people who attended would then have gone home to parents , children, grandparents etc.

                            The party held is not my concern ( as I wasn’t there ) but it appears that they were less concerned about the dangers to Covid compared to what they told the public to be at the time. I wonder why ?

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                            • #29
                              Re: Taking the piss.

                              Impossible as it may seem, I think this latest exposure spells the death knell for Boris Johnston as P.M. He should do the honourable thing and fall on his sword before the outcome of the inquiry. He won't of course as it is not in his nature, but unless the inquiry is a total whitewash*, he will get his come-uppance anyway.

                              *According to those in the know it seems that the lady heading the inquiry is no mug, so hopefully this won't be the case.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Taking the piss.

                                Originally posted by TWGL1 View Post
                                Sage predicted 250,000 deaths at the time apologies if it’s the incorrect documentation, perhaps you could post the reasons for the initial lockdown and figures quoted ( I’m sure you are acutely aware of what I was trying to say )

                                A risk assessment would have been undertaken, ( even something like have you had a cold in the last 28 days, are any family members displaying symptoms or high risk etc ).


                                Up to 100 people were at the party, not withstanding bar staff, security, and they would have been in contact with many taxi drivers taking them to and from the venue.

                                The people who attended would then have gone home to parents , children, grandparents etc.

                                The party held is not my concern ( as I wasn’t there ) but it appears that they were less concerned about the dangers to Covid compared to what they told the public to be at the time. I wonder why ?
                                From memory, Neil Ferguson’s modelling back in 2020 predicted 250,000 deaths as a worst case scenario in the event of no restrictions being in force and I think it’s fair to say that it was reported as the biggest single factor in convincing both Government and their scientists from going on with their early decision to look towards Herd Immunity as the way of conquering Covid.

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