Does Putin really want a world war or ?

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?

I struggle to see how criticism of British sanctions for being too weak equates to siding with what the public perception of the views of the likes of Corbyn and Abbott is. There are plenty of Conservative MPs who believed the sanctions were too weak, were they just saying that because they wanted to have a go at Johnson?

[Organ Morgan.]

Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?

I'm reminded of a paragraph in the late Denis Healey's autobiography, The Time of My Life. He was known as an affable Labour Party politician with huge bushy eyebrows. Behind that public persona was an arch-globalist and a big wheel in the Bilderberg Group which met in secret every year.

He wrote: 'World events do not occur by accident. They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings.'

I strongly suspect this Russia - Ukraine situation is another wholly contrived world event that is planned and scripted by those same bankers as the pretext to begin stage 2 of their Great Reset plan, which is to crash stock markets, lay waste to economies and cause unemployment, inflation and crime to rocket in order to create so much misery and chaos most people will welcome the introduction of martial law to ease their suffering.

[JamesWales]

Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?

I struggle to see how criticism of British sanctions for being too weak equates to siding with what the public perception of the views of the likes of Corbyn and Abbott is. There are plenty of Conservative MPs who believed the sanctions were too weak, were they just saying that because they wanted to have a go at Johnson?

I think what frustrates me, is the very first thing some people want to do is blame the UK, or blame Boris Johnson and create some kind of obscure link to things because it benefits them. That is the very definition of playing politics.

Personally, whatever the west did, Putin would outflank them. He doesn't care about sanctions, whether they could have been slightly harsher or not is largely irrelevent. He knows he supplies Europes largest economy (which foolishly dumped Nuclear energy) with gas. He holds the cards when it comes to sanctions.

He also knows that while he may not have a stronger army than the west combined, he still has a very powerful military with nuclear weapons. He knows that Ukraine is a hill we will be very unwilling to quite literally die upon.

What sanctions did people want? The west, broadly speaking, was moving in tandem. What did we want? An instant military response? Militarily threatening language? Europe to immediately cease buying Russian gas? Putin would merely use that to justify exactly what he is doing in the first instance, and Europe would run out of energy in the second, whilst creating an enormous economic crisis that would have people from Barcelona to Berlin screaming to make peace with Putin and let him take Ukraine.

I genuinely don't know what the answer is here. But I can see Ukraine being sacrificed and the line in the sand being drawn instead in the baltics, where they are NATO members.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?

I'm reminded of a paragraph in the late Denis Healey's autobiography, The Time of My Life. He was known as an affable Labour Party politician with huge bushy eyebrows. Behind that public persona was an arch-globalist and a big wheel in the Bilderberg Group which met in secret every year.

He wrote: 'World events do not occur by accident. They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings.'

I strongly suspect this Russia - Ukraine situation is another wholly contrived world event that is planned and scripted by those same bankers as the pretext to begin stage 2 of their Great Reset plan, which is to crash stock markets, lay waste to economies and cause unemployment, inflation and crime to rocket in order to create so much misery and chaos most people will welcome the introduction of martial law to ease their suffering.

Surely all us vaccinated sheep will be too busy wrestling with the latter stages of HIV or our grandchildren's black eyes and growth spurts to be bothered with anything as trivial as martial law?

[Dorcus]

Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?

Surely all us vaccinated sheep will be too busy wrestling with the latter stages of HIV or our grandchildren's black eyes and growth spurts to be bothered with anything as trivial as martial law?

I think there's more chance of a rogue asteroid knocking us out of the Solar System.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?

I think there's more chance of a rogue asteroid knocking us out of the Solar System.

I'm sure Organ Morgan has a You Tube video on that, only in his version it's not rogue but being guided from a reinforced bunker in Davos.

[Dorcus]

Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?

I'm sure Organ Morgan has a You Tube video on that, only in his version it's not rogue but being guided from a reinforced bunker in Davos.

👍 Is anyone ever safe?

[ToTaL ITK]

Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?

Not in my opinion, as they have both been involved with the WEF since the early 90's, so the situation may be more coherent than it appears. Pay attention to events affecting Western Europe such as economic fallout, and any proposed solutions.

what type of economic fallout?

[life on mars]

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All this certainly takes the minds of Russians who have terrible poverty, high levels of pollution , high crime rate, lack of free speech.

[Organ Morgan.]

Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?

Surely all us vaccinated sheep will be too busy wrestling with the latter stages of HIV or our grandchildren's black eyes and growth spurts to be bothered with anything as trivial as martial law?

Predictable response. Your usual tactic is to dispute the veracity of the source and/or attempt to rubbish the character of someone or those who made it. When you're stuck, as on this occasion, you ignore the content full stop.

Healey did indeed include what I quoted in his autobiography, which I'm sure you checked is true, and 'World events do not occur by accident...' was written from the perspective of a person who for decades spent four days each year holed up in a swanky hotel in the company of 100+ of the world's most powerful and influential people who had so much clout that for the first 30 years of those meetings ensured nothing appeared in the mainstream media about them.

Few would argue this Covid-19 experience of the past few years does count as a world event, but I'm sure you will continue to toil away trying to persuade others that it did occur by accident and nobody planned anything.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?

Predictable response. Your usual tactic is to dispute the veracity of the source and/or attempt to rubbish the character of someone or those who made it. When you're stuck, as on this occasion, you ignore the content full stop.

Healey did indeed include what I quoted in his autobiography, which I'm sure you checked is true, and 'World events do not occur by accident...' was written from the perspective of a person who for decades spent four days each year holed up in a swanky hotel in the company of 100+ of the world's most powerful and influential people who had so much clout that for the first 30 years of those meetings ensured nothing appeared in the mainstream media about them.

Few would argue this Covid-19 experience of the past few years does count as a world event, but I'm sure you will continue to toil away trying to persuade others that it did occur by accident and nobody planned anything.

Morg,

I was expecting you to surface in the other thread. Have you been too busy playing Twp Trumps whilst gorging yourself on nothing-burgers to defend your bombshell expose?

You should have some consideration for my sensitivities. I had to spend almost 20 minutes watching YouTube videos that would make most normal people's eyeballs bleed and then another 2 or 3 minutes painstakingly and forensically finding the evidence that your latest gifted intellectual insight was as much baloney as the gumpf you were posting before you disappeared!

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?

Germany has done nothing on Nordsteam. They havent ripped up the pipeline you know. It isnt currently operating. The UK's actions at this juncture probably has a more direct immediate impact

Poland by the way, have criticised Germany. And as for the EU: A senior EU diplomat previously said there was "a whole escalation ladder, starting with Russian individuals and moving up to finance, trade, and eventually energy", adding: "A lot is possible."

It seems that the UK approach is probably pretty much in line with others.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-c...ussia-12548612

The sanctions will hit us hard, and we can expect big price increases across the board if they continue for any length of time.

[life on mars]

Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?

what type of economic fallout?

I'd switch Swift off however see link below better than more deaths though

https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/12/18/the-hidden-costs-of-cutting-russia-off-from-swift

[Dorcus]

Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?

I'd switch Swift off however see link below better than more deaths though

https://www.economist.com/finance-an...off-from-swift

If they do it swiftly they'll find it hard to swallow.

[life on mars]

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great picture

https://coffeeordie.com/military/