John Bercow was a serial bully

[Eric Cartman]

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Well now it is established that rude, threatening liars should be expelled from the commons, who is going to fill all the empty seats?

[life on mars]

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Well now it is established that rude, threatening liars should be expelled from the commons, who is going to fill all the empty seats?

Indeed, the building will be empty , as there are no saints on either side .

[lardy]

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Indeed, the building will be empty , as there are no saints on either side .

Hardly fair to say that every MP is a threatening liar.

What happened to your famous sense of balance?

[the other bob wilson]

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I agree with your last sentence, he has acted quickly when compared to Boris Johnson, although since this report said that, if still an MP, Bercow would have been expelled from the commons ( which only happened 3 times in the 20th century and not at all so far this century) perhaps Sir Keir didn't have much choice.

However, when Bercow applied to join Labour in mid 2020, Sir Keir would surely have been aware that an enquiry regarding bullying was underway and that the complainants included Lord Lisvane the former clerk to the commons (who is of course a Cardiff lad, a point in his favour!!)and Angus Sinclair a former naval captain, as well as Kate Emms Bercow's fomer secretary. In addition David Leakey a retired Lieutenant General and former Black Rod gave evidence to the enquiry and also spoke out against Bercow getting a peerage earlier in 2020.


Wouldn't it have been sensible to have delayed Bercow's admission to Labour until the results of the enquiry were known?

Your presuming guilt unless proved innocent there though aren’t you? There’s been plenty to justifiably criticise Labour about in recent years, but I don’t see what they’re supposed to have done wrong here - they’ve acted promptly and correctly as soon as an investigation had concluded that one of their members was a “serial bully”. My comparison was more to do with the contrast in a party leader’s reaction to an investigation finding the Home Secretary guilty of something similar and the other’s when a party member was rather than the speed of Starmer’s decision - the PMs response to the Patterson verdict was to try to change the rules, not punish the wrongdoer.

[JamesWales]

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The arsehole here is Bercow. It was well known what he was like - undeniably some were happy to gloss over it because he was (quite shockingly for a speaker) anti-brexit. However, you can't throw people to the wolves because of accusations.

The Tories could presumably have thrown him out of the party (I'm not sure of the rules as speaker here) and I recollect lots of people in Labour were opposed to him becoming a member. I'm not sure Labour should have accepted him, but on what grounds could they refuse?

He's an arse and he's been found out and I'm glad. A lesson for all parties.

[Elwood Blues]

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Your presuming guilt unless proved innocent there though aren’t you? There’s been plenty to justifiably criticise Labour about in recent years, but I don’t see what they’re supposed to have done wrong here - they’ve acted promptly and correctly as soon as an investigation had concluded that one of their members was a “serial bully”. My comparison was more to do with the contrast in a party leader’s reaction to an investigation finding the Home Secretary guilty of something similar and the other’s when a party member was rather than the speed of Starmer’s decision - the PMs response to the Patterson verdict was to try to change the rules, not punish the wrongdoer.

I wasn't presuming guilt at all Bob. I wasn't saying to ban Bercow from joining Labour ( though I suspect that is what will happen now), just that it may have made sense to delay his membership until the position became clear following the completion of the enquiry which I would regard as a neutral act (as when someone is suspended in a disciplinary matter at work pending an enquiry) rather that presuming guilt or innocence.

[life on mars]

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I wasn't presuming guilt at all Bob. I wasn't saying to ban Bercow from joining Labour ( though I suspect that is what will happen now), just that it may have made sense to delay his membership until the position became clear following the completion of the enquiry which I would regard as a neutral act (as when someone is suspended in a disciplinary matter at work pending an enquiry) rather that presuming guilt or innocence.

The only down side they just stay suspended for a very long and then sneaked back in when no one is watching, unlike normal work where you end up sacked .

[ninian opinian]

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Ex-Commons Speaker John Bercow was a serial bully, says report .

Vile man .

Expel him Sir Kier now he is a Labour man not Tory or us he ffs

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60660385

Ugly Patel is a know bully and cost the UK taxpayer dearly. She should have been sacked. Expel her Bodger

Where’s your outrage? Double standards as always.

Vile woman.

[life on mars]

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Ugly Patel is a know bully and cost the UK taxpayer dearly. She should have been sacked. Expel her Bodger

Where’s your outrage? Double standards as always.

Vile woman.

yes I'm outraged , she is known to be a nasty piece of works , think that's why her department is all over the place they have downed tools , as she wants more from them in the way of work , that's why she has the that role Home Sectary is not the job for nice people.
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I don't have her as ugly though . ?


Folk used to say the same to May another tough cookie .

Not excusing Mrs Patel , there is an important difference Bercow's role as speaker who his appointed by MP's is to ensure the very behaviour he delivered didn't happen through the commons and parliament * ie lead by example * he was reported many times all swept under the opposition carpet whilst he was the Remainers last hope and friend , and yes they needed him , surely you can see the irony of it all coming out now after hes been booted and were out of Europe its being called found out .

Jeepers it takes some going to upset a man whose role is to just bangs the door with a black rod to enable the the queen to go in and out . Worth a read below .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/08/john-bercow-should-never-again-hold-public-office-former-black-rod

best you don't watch the thick of it as politics is brutal , and we know what party that was based on.

I'm not defending anyone its everywhere , its not a nice job you have to be brutal but not to the level of rudeness and poor behaviour of a very arrogant and privileged man of Bercow who couldn't be voted out by you and I Patel can.

I still don't get why the Labour Party let him in poor decision in my view not worth the headline Sir Keir ?