NHS waiting lists

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[Doucas]

Re: NHS waiting lists

You have to be a complete moron to think the tories are good for the NHS, or any other public service really.

[life on mars]

Re: NHS waiting lists

You have to be a complete moron to think the tories are good for the NHS, or any other public service really.

I know , especially as there has been no exceptional event like a pandemic effecting business as usual .

[Doucas]

Re: NHS waiting lists

I know , especially as there has been no exceptional event like a pandemic effecting business as usual .

So you're just going to ignore then that things were going to shit before 2020 as well?

[life on mars]

Re: NHS waiting lists

So you're just going to ignore then that things were going to shit before 2020 as well?

Nope we need to fix it and fast even if we all pay more , and not moan about paying more for the fundamental and obvious fact it's a serious provision to fund as it grows and folk live longer because of the same worthwhile investments in treatment to extend life.

[Elwood Blues]

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So you're just going to ignore then that things were going to shit before 2020 as well?

They weren't good in Wales either were they?


Neither main party has treated the NHS particularly well over the years in my opinion

[Doucas]

Re: NHS waiting lists

Nope we need to fix it and fast even if we all pay more , and not moan about paying more for the fundamental and obvious fact it's a serious provision to fund as it grows and folk live longer because of the same worthwhile investments in treatment to extend life.

Are you completely oblivious to how wages have stagnated while the billionaire class (who own our politicians and media) basically doubled their wealth during the pandemic?

This is the source of every single problem in the UK and I don't know what it'll take for the older generations to see it.

[Doucas]

Re: NHS waiting lists

They weren't good in Wales either were they?


Neither main party has treated the NHS particularly well over the years in my opinion

Yeah it's a mystery why things would get worse when a country receives cuts to its budget from Westminster.

[life on mars]

Re: NHS waiting lists

Are you completely oblivious to how wages have stagnated while the billionaire class (who own our politicians and media) basically doubled their wealth during the pandemic?

This is the source of every single problem in the UK and I don't know what it'll take for the older generations to see it.

Nope not oblivious in fact we know 2019/20, the wage cost NHS staff was £56.1 billion (46.6 % of the NHS budget.) See the issue there (46% ) its bugger all to do with billionaires it's about an organisation too big to fund and manage and folk living longer due to a well funded NHS .

[life on mars]

Re: NHS waiting lists

Yeah it's a mystery why things would get worse when a country receives cuts to its budget from Westminster.

Yeh bugger looking at performance and delivering care , hy Sepsis in Wales us off the scale let's blame the money supplier, great out .

I'm sure they could do with more dosh big question is what would they do with it ?

It's a lazy answer.

[JamesWales]

Re: NHS waiting lists

Yeah it's a mystery why things would get worse when a country receives cuts to its budget from Westminster.

They havent. Welsh budget only goes in one direction. And the amount of govt expenditure per person in Wales is far higher than in England.

[Doucas]

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Nope not oblivious in fact we know 2019/20, the wage cost NHS staff was £56.1 billion (46.6 % of the NHS budget.) See the issue there (46% ) its bugger all to do with billionaires it's about an organisation too big to fund and manage and folk living longer due to a well funded NHS .

You do know most NHS staff are paid less than they are in other western countries yeah?

I'll ask you this, why could we used to afford it, why can other countries afford it but the UK can't?

You've missed the point about the billionaire class, don't you think it's weird that there are more billionaires than ever in the UK, and they're richer than ever but wages are stagnating? TrIcKlE DoWn EcOnOmIcS.

I don't know how you can't see you've had 30+ years of right wing media screaming this down your throat so they can further privatise the NHS (which has worked just so well for energy and trains). This will lead to worse outcomes mark my words.

You literally have everything you want, tory government and brexit yet everything is still getting worse. I cannot name one thing getting better in the UK. Can you?

[life on mars]

Re: NHS waiting lists

You do know most NHS staff are paid less than they are in other western countries yeah?

I'll ask you this, why could we used to afford it, why can other countries afford it but the UK can't?

You've missed the point about the billionaire class, don't you think it's weird that there are more billionaires than ever in the UK, and they're richer than ever but wages are stagnating? TrIcKlE DoWn EcOnOmIcS.

I don't know how you can't see you've had 30+ years of right wing media screaming this down your throat so they can further privatise the NHS (which has worked just so well for energy and trains). This will lead to worse outcomes mark my words.

You literally have everything you want, tory government and brexit yet everything is still getting worse. I cannot name one thing getting better in the UK. Can you?

What I do know the wage bill big .
Performance management is need as is value for money .
Pouring more and more money into a system does not fix things modernisation does .
Getting existing staff GP's to better cover weekends will reduce waiting lists .
Charging people who can afford for minor non critical medial needs needs is needed .
Look at what's been prescribed and why.
Abuse of A&E and violence towards the staff due to over indulgence along with clogging up the real A&E needs .
Blair brought waiting lists down and he was the last real radical politician to look at it and yes that included privatisation of certain elements..

Remember this view :

build a health service based on four BEVAN principles:

free at the point of use ( when does the build finish )
available to everyone who needed it ( that was designed for the poor not the rich )
paid for out of general taxation ( that is being done but needs more via NI)
used responsibly. ( this is the key one )

when Bevan wrote this people sadly died a lot younger , population was much lower , they had no access to drugs that prolonged life, people weren't given stuff like mobility cars and other at home equipment , prescriptions were so much lower in supply , complicated expensive state of the art theatre ward equipment was not available , road deaths /injuries were a small percentage of hospital omissions , Crickey you could go on for hours .

Its too big , its out lived its original purpose.

[JamesWales]

Re: NHS waiting lists

You do know most NHS staff are paid less than they are in other western countries yeah?

I'll ask you this, why could we used to afford it, why can other countries afford it but the UK can't?

You've missed the point about the billionaire class, don't you think it's weird that there are more billionaires than ever in the UK, and they're richer than ever but wages are stagnating? TrIcKlE DoWn EcOnOmIcS.

I don't know how you can't see you've had 30+ years of right wing media screaming this down your throat so they can further privatise the NHS (which has worked just so well for energy and trains). This will lead to worse outcomes mark my words.

You literally have everything you want, tory government and brexit yet everything is still getting worse. I cannot name one thing getting better in the UK. Can you?

Do you ever stop lying? Why do you make stuff up? Honestly, if you read on some batty twitter site that Cardiff won 4-0 on saturday you would believe it.

Just stop it, look at facts and stop spouting nonsense. You playing this game and using the NHS as a football, some kind of game does absolutely nothing to help the NHS.

And I've just spent an hour on the phone to a friend who did a 14 hour shift at Princess of Wales health board. There are serious issues but this lefty buzzword bingo stuff you come up with never gets mentioned.

Overall, there is no evidence of a significant increase in spending on private providers or widespread privatisation of services in recent years.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/articles/big-election-questions-nhs-privatised

[Doucas]

Re: NHS waiting lists

Do you ever stop lying? Why do you make stuff up? Honestly, if you read on some batty twitter site that Cardiff won 4-0 on saturday you would believe it.

Just stop it, look at facts and stop spouting nonsense. You playing this game and using the NHS as a football, some kind of game does absolutely nothing to help the NHS.

And I've just spent an hour on the phone to a friend who did a 14 hour shift at Princess of Wales health board. There are serious issues but this lefty buzzword bingo stuff you come up with never gets mentioned.

Overall, there is no evidence of a significant increase in spending on private providers or widespread privatisation of services in recent years.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publica...nhs-privatised

I mean... it's beyond laughable you would post an article from a thinktank funded by GlaxoSmithKline who are getting NHS contracts awarded to them. I knew you didn't have the ability to think critically and to analyse sources before but this is beyond a joke now.

Tell me one thing that's gotten better in the UK over the past 12 years.