NHS waiting lists

[Doucas]

Re: NHS waiting lists

Do you ever stop lying? Why do you make stuff up? Honestly, if you read on some batty twitter site that Cardiff won 4-0 on saturday you would believe it.

Just stop it, look at facts and stop spouting nonsense. You playing this game and using the NHS as a football, some kind of game does absolutely nothing to help the NHS.

And I've just spent an hour on the phone to a friend who did a 14 hour shift at Princess of Wales health board. There are serious issues but this lefty buzzword bingo stuff you come up with never gets mentioned.

Overall, there is no evidence of a significant increase in spending on private providers or widespread privatisation of services in recent years.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publica...nhs-privatised

Just to add to this, show me my other lies? Are wages not stagnating? Is poverty not increasing? Is foodbank use not increasing? Are houses not becoming more and more unaffordable? Is wealth inequality not increasing? Is the NHS not struggling more than it has been (even before the pandemic)?

[JamesWales]

Re: NHS waiting lists

I mean... it's beyond laughable you would post an article from a thinktank funded by GlaxoSmithKline who are getting NHS contracts awarded to them. I knew you didn't have the ability to think critically and to analyse sources before but this is beyond a joke now.

Tell me one thing that's gotten better in the UK over the past 12 years.

Just a few off the top of my head (all with sources) And no one doubts enormous problems too, which you never offer a solution for. The point is, things aren't all bad. And all things that are bad arent caused by the government - many problems occur in all countries irrespective of government and cannot be solved without worsening another issue.


Unemployment has halved

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate

Minimum wage gone from £5.93 an hour to £8.91

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Wage_Act_1998

Income tax on the richest gone from 40% to 45% (I assume you support that)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Wage_Act_1998

COvid ruins the data but we are no longer in recession

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth-annual

Murder rate has fallen
.

Youth unemployment down from around 20% to 11%

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/youth-unemployment-rate

Covid ruined it, but government deficit vastly reduced

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-budget

EMployment rate up about 5%

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/employment-rate

Stock market well up (good for pensions held in it)

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/stock-market

Green energy well up

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsdA16CR85D-4RXuiZINYXtxNNh90Ll7n0wpohoUYnoMPs3aP01hSMY9qmuzvIkQWFIBg:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Energy_mix_of_UK.svg/1200px-Energy_mix_of_UK.svg.png&usqp=CAU

Housing starts more than doubled

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/housing-starts

[life on mars]

Re: NHS waiting lists

I mean... it's beyond laughable you would post an article from a thinktank funded by GlaxoSmithKline who are getting NHS contracts awarded to them. I knew you didn't have the ability to think critically and to analyse sources before but this is beyond a joke now.

Tell me one thing that's gotten better in the UK over the past 12 years.

No one is saying its perfect or far form it but we need to accept there is error within NHS and how its run its not all just evil Tory policy as so many jump to .

[life on mars]

Re: NHS waiting lists

Just a few off the top of my head (all with sources) And no one doubts enormous problems too, which you never offer a solution for. The point is, things aren't all bad. And all things that are bad arent caused by the government - many problems occur in all countries irrespective of government and cannot be solved without worsening another issue.


Unemployment has halved

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate

Minimum wage gone from £5.93 an hour to £8.91

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Wage_Act_1998

Income tax on the richest gone from 40% to 45% (I assume you support that)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Wage_Act_1998

COvid ruins the data but we are no longer in recession

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth-annual

Murder rate has fallen
.

Youth unemployment down from around 20% to 11%

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/youth-unemployment-rate

Covid ruined it, but government deficit vastly reduced

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-budget

EMployment rate up about 5%

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/employment-rate

Stock market well up (good for pensions held in it)

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/stock-market

Green energy well up

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsdA16CR85D-4RXuiZINYXtxNNh90Ll7n0wpohoUYnoMPs3aP01hSMY9qmuzvIkQWFIBg:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Energy_mix_of_UK.svg/1200px-Energy_mix_of_UK.svg.png&usqp=CAU

Housing starts more than doubled
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...housing-starts

Personal Tax allowance s under the Tory's has gone up significantly as well greatly helping the lower wage scales

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_allowance

[JamesWales]

Re: NHS waiting lists

Personal Tax allowance s under the Tory's has gone up significantly as well greatly helping the lower wage scales

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_allowance

Absolutely. That, undeniably has been very positive.

And I will add - there are numerous statistics going in the wrong direction. My point, as ever, is that things are mixed and those who present a black/white, good/bad picture of things are wrong to do so.

[Doucas]

Re: NHS waiting lists

Just a few off the top of my head (all with sources) And no one doubts enormous problems too, which you never offer a solution for. The point is, things aren't all bad. And all things that are bad arent caused by the government - many problems occur in all countries irrespective of government and cannot be solved without worsening another issue.


Unemployment has halved

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate

Means nothing is working poverty is increasing dramatically.

Minimum wage gone from £5.93 an hour to £8.91

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Wage_Act_1998

Means nothing if inflation has gone up by more, which it has.

Income tax on the richest gone from 40% to 45% (I assume you support that)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Wage_Act_1998

Not particularly for this, tax on capital and wealth needs to be increased rather than taxing the working man.

COvid ruins the data but we are no longer in recession

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth-annual

We were one of the last countries in the developed world to come out of the recession.

Murder rate has fallen

I'll give you that.

Youth unemployment down from around 20% to 11%

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/youth-unemployment-rate

Again means nothing if you can't meet your basic needs on the wage you're on.

Covid ruined it, but government deficit vastly reduced

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-budget

Yep that was improving, I'd argue we shouldn't see a deficit at all however and austerity is probably the most damaging way to reduce a deficity

EMployment rate up about 5%

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/employment-rate

Again, means nothing if people's basic needs aren't being met.

Stock market well up (good for pensions held in it)

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/stock-market

The amount of people who can't afford to pay into pensions is growing, we have one of the worst state pensions in Europe. Most people in the UK don't have stocks and it isn't really a sign of a good economy. I'd also argue that focussing purely on the stock market has led to harsher working conditons and lower wages. Capital tax increase is needed on this asap and this is from someone who made almost twice the average wage during the past 12 months from the stock market. I'd also argue there should be tax on unrealised gains similarly to how we pay Council Tax.

Green energy well up

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsdA16CR85D-4RXuiZINYXtxNNh90Ll7n0wpohoUYnoMPs3aP01hSMY9qmuzvIkQWFIBg:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Energy_mix_of_UK.svg/1200px-Energy_mix_of_UK.svg.png&usqp=CAU

Yes this is good and multiple governments are to blame for this but we should have built a significant amount of nuclear power stations to secure our energy independence and lower energy costs (we've lost the ability to build nuclear stations ourselves which unfortunately has increased costs significantly).

Housing starts more than doubled
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...housing-starts

According to the graph housing starts are still less than the 1980s - 2000s, we need far more house building in the UK, like we saw in the 50s as house prices are becoming more and more unaffordable.

[JamesWales]

Re: NHS waiting lists

According to the graph housing starts are still less than the 1980s - 2000s, we need far more house building in the UK, like we saw in the 50s as house prices are becoming more and more unaffordable.

I agree with you, we do need more.

[TWGL1]

Re: NHS waiting lists

Something I’m involved in is house building, and there are some interesting and existing developments afoot.

Modular Housing is expected to take off in a big way and you can build a house from scratch in three/six weeks. It’s affordable and eco-friendly. The Forest Green Rovers of the housing sector.

https://theweehousecompany.co.uk/connect-modular-ltd/affordable-housing/

[Rjk]

Re: NHS waiting lists

Something I’m involved in is house building, and there are some interesting and existing developments afoot.

Modular Housing is expected to take off in a big way and you can build a house from scratch in three/six weeks. It’s affordable and eco-friendly. The Forest Green Rovers of the housing sector.

https://theweehousecompany.co.uk/con...dable-housing/

Thats great, although the construction cost is only a small part of the reason that houses are so expensive

[the other bob wilson]

Re: NHS waiting lists

Just a few off the top of my head (all with sources) And no one doubts enormous problems too, which you never offer a solution for. The point is, things aren't all bad. And all things that are bad arent caused by the government - many problems occur in all countries irrespective of government and cannot be solved without worsening another issue.


Unemployment has halved

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate

Minimum wage gone from £5.93 an hour to £8.91

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Wage_Act_1998

Income tax on the richest gone from 40% to 45% (I assume you support that)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Wage_Act_1998

COvid ruins the data but we are no longer in recession

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth-annual

Murder rate has fallen
.

Youth unemployment down from around 20% to 11%

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/youth-unemployment-rate

Covid ruined it, but government deficit vastly reduced

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-budget

EMployment rate up about 5%

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/employment-rate

Stock market well up (good for pensions held in it)

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/stock-market

Green energy well up

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsdA16CR85D-4RXuiZINYXtxNNh90Ll7n0wpohoUYnoMPs3aP01hSMY9qmuzvIkQWFIBg:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Energy_mix_of_UK.svg/1200px-Energy_mix_of_UK.svg.png&usqp=CAU

Housing starts more than doubled
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...housing-starts

So you’re factoring in Covid when it suits, but making no allowance for the 2008 global crash when it comes to the figures the Conservatives inherited? In essence then, you’re not blaming the Tories for Covid (fair enough, even if their cuts left us worse off to deal with it and they ignored the results of the Cygnus exercise in 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus), but, effectively, blaming Labour for what happened in 2008 by making no allowances for the global crash about eighteen months earlier - that hardly seems fair..

A look at the forecast section in some of those links you posted makes for sobering reading and I think giving any Government credit for not being in recession is a bit rich when the proportion of time the UK historically spends in recession is so small.