Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution

[life on mars]

I'm sure David Blunkett some 20 years ago proposed the same idea involving a third party off shore immigration solution, before retreating from the proposal , the question I have for any opposition party , what is your plan, and if this becomes a success or part success would a Labour government reverse or campain
too so so at the next election .

[Eric Cartman]

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I'm sure David Blunkett some 20 years ago proposed the same idea

I don't think he did

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution

I'm sure David Blunkett some 20 years ago proposed the same idea involving a third party off shore immigration solution, before retreating from the proposal , the question I have for any opposition party , what is your plan, and if this becomes a success or part success would a Labour government reverse or campain
too so so at the next election .

I think it’s high time we had a whataboutery board.

[JamesWales]

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I doubt it. But then people in government actually have to make tough decisions, instead of simply opposing everything. But then the British Left tend to get just as angry with Labour governments as they do Tories after a while. I think it's decision making and reality they actually fear most.

Poll published yesterday shows even Labour voters support the policy by 39% to 36%. I think in time people will slowly realise how repulsive and unsustainable the current situation is and something must be done to stop boats travelling from France.

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status...55814705008644.

[Hilts]

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I doubt the BNP or UKIP would reverse it.

Other than them yes.

Whats funny is well is the claim that this policy is somehow about caring for the migrants.😂😂😂

[Hilts]

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I doubt it. But then people in government actually have to make tough decisions, instead of simply opposing everything. But then the British Left tend to get just as angry with Labour governments as they do Tories after a while. I think it's decision making and reality they actually fear most.

Poll published yesterday shows even Labour voters support the policy by 39% to 36%. I think in time people will slowly realise how repulsive and unsustainable the current situation is and something must be done to stop boats travelling from France.

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status...55814705008644.

I think a lot of Labour voters who generally favour left wing policies favour right wing policies when it comes to immigration.

[JamesWales]

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I think a lot of Labour voters who generally favour left wing policies favour right wing policies when it comes to immigration.

What is the left wing policy on immigration? Historically free movement of people has been a right-wing policy akin to the free market. (See America for most of its history) For most of the last century left wing societies in Europe didn't let you move abroad - many required government permission to move cities even.

I don't think it's a left/right thing. It's about finding a solution that works and at the very least a solution that doesn't sub-contract out the process to global human trafficking gangs to enrichen themselves by providing the service.

I agree though that many Labour voters are not particularly "left wing". And nor should they be. Most people just want a decent society and dont really care which ideological branch of this social science provides it. It's as relevant as religious doctrine to the majority of people.

And thank f**k for that. Imagine how awful the world would be if everyone spoke like we do on here

[jon1959]

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What is the left wing policy on immigration? Historically free movement of people has been a right-wing policy akin to the free market. (See America for most of its history) For most of the last century left wing societies in Europe didn't let you move abroad - many required government permission to move cities even.

I don't think it's a left/right thing. It's about finding a solution that works and at the very least a solution that doesn't sub-contract out the process to global human trafficking gangs to enrichen themselves by providing the service.

I agree though that many Labour voters are not particularly "left wing". And nor should they be. Most people just want a decent society and dont really care which ideological branch of this social science provides it. It's as relevant as religious doctrine to the majority of people.

And thank f**k for that. Imagine how awful the world would be if everyone spoke like we do on here

From your posts on here I assume you have a different view of what 'a decent society' looks like than I do.

Values and political positions flow from that.

Confederate slave owners, Stalinist functionaries and Middle England cheerleaders for Enoch Powell all told themselves they were in favour of 'a decent society'.

But very different interpretations of decency.

[Claude Blue]

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From your posts on here I assume you have a different view of what 'a decent society' looks like than I do.

Values and political positions flow from that.

Confederate slave owners, Stalinist functionaries and Middle England cheerleaders for Enoch Powell all told themselves they were in favour of 'a decent society'.

But very different interpretations of decency.

Same with the old mantra of "common sense", it means different things to different people.

It's a nice catch all for the hard of thinking.

[life on mars]

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I don't think he did

He did honest, the left slapped him down.
Google it on de tinterty thingy

[Dorcus]

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I think a lot of Labour voters who generally favour left wing policies favour right wing policies when it comes to immigration.

Particularly Brexit voters

[Eric Cartman]

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He did honest, the left slapped him down.
Google it on de tinterty thingy

I am struggling to find anything about it, could you please link it to help an old boy out.

[jon1959]

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He did honest, the left slapped him down.
Google it on de tinterty thingy

David Blunkett did propose an 'out of EU' asylum processing location around 2003 (Albania and Russia were suggested places) and he was rightly slapped down by the EU, by TUs and by the Labour left - but it was not the same idea that Priti Patel has announced. It was put forward (by one of the most authoritarian and right wing Labour Home Secretaries ever - I know from personal experience) as an entry point to the EU - a clearing house - not as a deportation site from the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/may/12/immigrationandpublicservices.immigration

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I am struggling to find anything about it, could you please link it to help an old boy out.

First rule of Stupid Club.....There is a Stupid Club!

[JamesWales]

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From your posts on here I assume you have a different view of what 'a decent society' looks like than I do.

Values and political positions flow from that.

Confederate slave owners, Stalinist functionaries and Middle England cheerleaders for Enoch Powell all told themselves they were in favour of 'a decent society'.

But very different interpretations of decency.

Ah, but this is where you are wrong, and it's a mistake many make. My view of a decent society will be almost identical to yours; good schools, good healthcare free at the point of use, a strong economy, low crime, a compassionate and caring welfare state for people to ensure they aren't destitute, a society where people work and play together, trust each other and do to others as they would have done to themselves etc etc etc. Barring a few tweaks (for example I value immaterial wealth more than many do) I suspect our outcomes are near identical, and they would be for 90% of people.

The difference is in how we think they are best achieved, and within that, the difference comes from the fact that I am not ideological. I will take what may be considered a 'left wing' solution where it works (for example in govt intervention on the economy) or what may be considered a 'right wing' solution where it works (for example in enforcing a fair immigration system).

I would suggest that you take more of an ideological as opposed to pragmatic position on things in an almost religious fashion - I briefly went to church as a kid, but for me the closest I got to a form of religion was in my younger days in various socialist movements where the adherence to doctrine was absolute - no variation was possible. When you are in that state of mind, the problems simply cannot operate outside of that doctrine.

So it becomes impossible to fathom a situation where asylum is taken advantage of for example. Or it becomes impossible to imagine that problems may exist within the NHS for example, even if in some cases understanding that is key to solving the problem.

I am sure we all agree that Britain should have a generous and fair immigration system but equally we understand we cant just house everyone that wants to come to the UK. Well the current system is broken. The most physically fit typically make it. It rewards those who throw away ID, it rewards criminal gangs, it punishes those who apply legally. We have people taking legal action to prevent the removal of hardened criminals who are foreign nationals. It's not working, for us or for anyone else and people should be open minded to recognising that and that what they perceive as their own decency may actually be exploited.