Third Umpire Call for Boris

[cyril evans awaydays]

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He's been criminally charged ?

A crime is a deliberate act that causes physical or psychological harm, damage to or loss of property, and is against the law.

Johnson introduced the law under which he was served a fixed penalty notice. He paid the fine but obviously had the chance, like every other individual in the land to protest his innocence in court. He decided not to do so becoming a criminal in the process.

Amazing you have doubt. It can only be because you missed it on the news, surely!

[Dorcus]

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He's been criminally charged ?

A real bad 'un if ever I saw one. He should be locked up after being tarred and feathered, after having a red hot poker inserted in his aspidistra.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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A crime is a deliberate act that causes physical or psychological harm, damage to or loss of property, and is against the law.

Johnson introduced the law under which he was served a fixed penalty notice. He paid the fine but obviously had the chance, like every other individual in the land to protest his innocence in court. He decided not to do so becoming a criminal in the process.

Amazing you have doubt. It can only be because you missed it on the news, surely!

I'm not sure, but if the punishment is a fine, then it's not a criminal act - in the legal sense.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I'm not sure, but if the punishment is a fine, then it's not a criminal act - in the legal sense.

The act is criminal. The punishment is commensurate to the act. Your response determines the ultimate punishment.

So if you don't pay your TV licence you can be fined. If you plead innocence against that fine on whatever basis at some time you will be taken to court. Yo will have the opportunity to explain your innocence. If you are found guilty you have various opportunities to appeal. If you ignore the judgement of the court if you are found guilty then the punishment increases at each step up to the maximum determined by the law you are being tried for.

It is perfectly possible to go to prison for not accepting the punishment for not paying a TV licence. It is equally possible that the UK Prime Minister could be imprisoned if found guilty of his criminal offences if the law he put on the statute book said that it was the ultimate punishment.

The law determines what is a crime. The gravity of the offence and how you react determines the punishment.

Does that make sense?

[Tito Fuente]

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I'm not sure, but if the punishment is a fine, then it's not a criminal act - in the legal sense.

what?

[cyril evans awaydays]

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what?

For AQM's benefit. If you break the law of the land you commit a crime. In Johnson's case if you pay the Fixed Penalty Notice in the time allotted you don't get a criminal record. If you think that what he did wasn't a criminal act. Pick a law, break it, decide not accept the punishment and see how far you get before getting a criminal record.

[life on mars]

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This post is slowly becoming a crime

[the other bob wilson]

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So, it’s reached the stage where there’s a debate as to whether the UK’s Prime Minister is a criminal or not. I grew up thinking that any Prime Minister needed to be that bit more above the law than us mere mortals because of the importance of the job. Whether Johnson is technically a criminal or not is besides the point, as are arguments about it all being the equivalent of a parking ticket - any Prime Minister should not be breaking laws they introduced.

On the subject of parking tickets,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10739277/Boris-Johnson-BOASTED-getting-parking-fines-student-Oxford.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-trouble-over-white-16514771

And this behind a paywall story.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-car-reviews-gq-dylan-jones-parking-fines-tickets-22pchqz70

Plus, at the time he made headlines for a row with his current wife, people spoke of Johnson’s car always being parked outside her house and there always being a stack of unpaid parking tickets on the front dashboard.

[Elwood Blues]

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A crime is a deliberate act that causes physical or psychological harm, damage to or loss of property, and is against the law.

Johnson introduced the law under which he was served a fixed penalty notice. He paid the fine but obviously had the chance, like every other individual in the land to protest his innocence in court. He decided not to do so becoming a criminal in the process.

Amazing you have doubt. It can only be because you missed it on the news, surely!

But he hasn't been charged. He would have been charged if he refused to pay the fine and gone to a magistrates court.

Much as many may like it to be so, he is not a criminal.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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But he hasn't been charged. He would have been charged if he refused to pay the fine and gone to a magistrates court.

Much as many may like it to be so, he is not a criminal.

He was charged with an offence under the The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020.

He was offered the opportunity of discharging any liability to conviction for the offence by payment of a fixed penalty. If he accepted that there was no need for a court appearance to argue his guilt or innocence. His agreement to pay the fine under the fixed penalty notice means he will not have a criminal record.

This shouldn't be this tricky.

[Dorcus]

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But he hasn't been charged. He would have been charged if he refused to pay the fine and gone to a magistrates court.

Much as many may like it to be so, he is not a criminal.

He's banged to rights.

[Elwood Blues]

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He was charged with an offence under the The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020.

He was offered the opportunity of discharging any liability to conviction for the offence by payment of a fixed penalty. If he accepted that there was no need for a court appearance to argue his guilt or innocence. His agreement to pay the fine under the fixed penalty notice means he will not have a criminal record.

This shouldn't be this tricky.

What shouldn't be this tricky?

Can't I have a different opinion as to whether a fine is a criminal charge or not? I think the actual charge comes at the next stage if you refuse to pay and then go to the magistrates court. I hav spoken to a couple of people I know who have studied the law and agree with me.

If you have a legal background and can prove me wrong then please do so. I have actually found little on the internet either way.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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What shouldn't be this tricky?

Can't I have a different opinion as to whether a fine is a criminal charge or not? I think the actual charge comes at the next stage if you refuse to pay and then go to the magistrates court. I hav spoken to a couple of people I know who have studied the law and agree with me.

If you have a legal background and can prove me wrong then please do so. I have actually found little on the internet either way.

Apologies,

I believe you are right.

This article best explains the process. It is the second stage the Single Justice Procedure that triggers the charge.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/partygate-what-happens-covid-rule-breakers-fines-downing-street-boris-johnson-met-police-b980036.html

It looks like it was tricky after all!!