Covid Deaths in Care Homes

[TWGL1]

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If you don’t think Nightingale's were a propaganda stunt then why were they not used as they were meant to be used ?

Also ,I thought they were pleading for retired doctors to assist as a matter of urgency, yet it transpired that hospitals were way below capacity and to top it off you had little to no chance of seeing your doctor face to face regardless of urgency.

https://twitter.com/charlotteemmauk/status/1519374858513170432?s=21&t=c6UKcAYfld84t0ZehKeJNg

[Tito Fuente]

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I guess you mean all governments as those decisions were at the table of first minsters, we could have used the facilities such as Nightingale hospitals early set up and use .

Nightingale hospitals did not exist at this point. How are you and TWGL1 not getting this?

[Tito Fuente]

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If you don’t think Nightingale's were a propaganda stunt then why were they not used as they were meant to be used ?

Also ,I thought they were pleading for retired doctors to assist as a matter of urgency, yet it transpired that hospitals were way below capacity and to top it off you had little to no chance of seeing your doctor face to face regardless of urgency.

"If you don’t think Nightingale's were a propaganda stunt then why were they not used as they were meant to be used ?"

What do you mean? How were they used?

I think the government dealt with COVID appallingly and will hopefully face the music once a proper inquiry takes place but I can't knock them for trying to put more hospitals in place due to the rising deaths and hospitalisations at the time (which it could be argued that their negligence caused).

Propaganda it wasn't. my mate's step father was in Dragon's Heart (the Nightingale hospital in Cardiff) for 6 days during lockdown with COVID and pneumonia. He's an alcoholic and a lifetime smoker so he was lucky to return home.

I know from my ex that the Nightingale hospital they built on the Heath Hospital grounds (Lakeside) was at full capacity over the Christmas period: only 5 months ago.

Your move.

[the other bob wilson]

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I guess you mean all governments as those decisions were at the table of first minsters, we could have used the facilities such as Nightingale hospitals early set up and use .

You given up all pretEnce of political neutrality lately havent you. It doesn’t matter, because no one believed it of you anyway.

Your latest episode of whataboutery doesn’t work I’m afraid. The first Nightingale Hospital opened on 3 April 2020 some two or three weeks after people with Covid were first transferred from hospitals into care homes.

[Swiss Peter]

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Just seen this in Sky ……….. :sherlock:

https://twitter.com/juneslater17/sta...Sds6TB9BMJJy5A

If this lot don't get the mother of all kickings at the locals next week, I ****ing give up.

[Organ Morgan.]

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https://twitter.com/charlotteemmauk/...ld84t0ZehKeJNg

Colin knows his onions. - https://twitter.com/Colin_Musk/statu...02400020000769

[TWGL1]

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I know you don't like being targeted with your own argument, but the first nightingale hospital received it's first lot of patients on 7th April 2020 in London. Other nightingale hospitals were completed later, obviously.

The care home issue is regarding decisions made by Matt Hancock in March and April 2020 which potentially led to the deaths of thousands.

It's alright though, they were old.

Do you ever waiver from the official narrative?

There are so many questions that remain unanswered and people are entitled to question it.

To some the this kind of news has been obvious after about two weeks in.

[JamesWales]

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If this lot don't get the mother of all kickings at the locals next week, I ****ing give up.

And vote for who?

Here in Wales (which no one ever seems to care about weirdly, given most of us live here) it seems that we were TWO weeks behind England on this.

I wouldnt be surprised if the Welsh Government are dragged into this now

https://www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/catastrophic-consequences-says-welsh-care-23804659

[Swiss Peter]

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And vote for who?

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Who do you suggest?. Keep the status quo?

[JamesWales]

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Who do you suggest?. Keep the status quo?

I'm confused. Next week it's local elections for Cardiff (and others) Council. The story here refers to the UK government, and in effect the English NHS.

The Welsh NHS is run by Labour, and it seems we were doing the same policy that is being understandably criticised here for another two weeks after England ceased doing it.

So I'm not sure who you suggest we should vote for?

Rest assured, the Tories will take a hammering and understandably so, but it appears we had an even worse policy on all this in Wales.

It is beyond me why so many on here care more about the English NHS than the Welsh.

I suggest people vote for who they like and maybe base it on local issues as it's a local election. If we must base it on national healthcare issues, the performance of the Welsh Govt would be a greater issue for me given it impacts on my life more

[TWGL1]

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I'm confused. Next week it's local elections for Cardiff (and others) Council. The story here refers to the UK government, and in effect the English NHS.

The Welsh NHS is run by Labour, and it seems we were doing the same policy that is being understandably criticised here for another two weeks after England ceased doing it.

So I'm not sure who you suggest we should vote for?

Rest assured, the Tories will take a hammering and understandably so, but it appears we had an even worse policy on all this in Wales.

It is beyond me why so many on here care more about the English NHS than the Welsh.

I suggest people vote for who they like and maybe base it on local issues as it's a local election. If we must base it on national healthcare issues, the performance of the Welsh Govt would be a greater issue for me given it impacts on my life more

The Welsh Government were always going to follow Englands policy though. The reason is obvious.

[JamesWales]

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The Welsh Government were always going to follow Englands policy though. The reason is obvious.

Where the English NHS make mistakes there is absolutely no justification for making the same mistakes and continuing them for a further two weeks!

And on the pandemic, there are numerous examples where Drakeford's government hasn't followed the English health secretary's approach.

This isn't to take away from the mistakes made, it's to try and prevent people turning it into a political football, because it seems that our government here did the exact same thing, but carried it on even longer.

[TWGL1]

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Where the English NHS make mistakes there is absolutely no justification for making the same mistakes and continuing them for a further two weeks!

And on the pandemic, there are numerous examples where Drakeford's government hasn't followed the English health secretary's approach.

This isn't to take away from the mistakes made, it's to try and prevent people turning it into a political football, because it seems that our government here did the exact same thing, but carried it on even longer.

Why did nobody in government speak up about this at the time ?

[JamesWales]

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Why did nobody in government speak up about this at the time ?

I don't know, but unless someone can demonstrate otherwise, it seems they realised the error and rectified it sooner than we did here in Wales.

It's all absolutely tragic for the people involved. Suspect the Welsh Government will be next on this

[TWGL1]

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I don't know, but unless someone can demonstrate otherwise, it seems they realised the error and rectified it sooner than we did here in Wales.

It's all absolutely tragic for the people involved. Suspect the Welsh Government will be next on this

Anybody who questioned the narrative (at the time) was either cancelled or called a conspiracy theorist.