Good Morning Britain - Boris Johnson Interview

[Eric Cartman]

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You are somewhat unfair there. The UK has halved it's use of fossil fuels since 2012 and the use of renewables have grown five fold. It's a quite spectacular change. And it all costs a lot of money to implement. It seems you want cheap energy and for it to be developed at no cost? Utopian.



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Precisely my point, why did it take us until 2012 to do it? I will tell you why, because governments around the world are in the pockets of companies, how do we change that? I don't know, but you seem to freely support it.

As a poster said earlier, it is like an abusive relationship. If all of us ordinary folk stop perpetuating these myths and doing the corporations bidding for them that will help.

[JamesWales]

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Precisely my point, why did it take us until 2012 to do it? I will tell you why, because governments around the world are in the pockets of companies, how do we change that? I don't know, but you seem to freely support it.

As a poster said earlier, it is like an abusive relationship. If all of us ordinary folk stop perpetuating these myths and doing the corporations bidding for them that will help.

God knows what you are on about here to be honest, but you now seem to be unhappy that the UK is in the process of decarbonising at a much more rapid rate than others.

If you can't see a success story for what it is then so be it.

[Eric Cartman]

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God knows what you are on about here to be honest, but you now seem to be unhappy that the UK is in the process of decarbonising at a much more rapid rate than others.

If you can't see a success story for what it is then so be it.

You keep believing that climate change started in 2012 and I will keep believing that we should have acted sooner.

If you were half as good at scrutinising politicians as you are at scrutinising pensioners in fuel poverty, you would be a force to reckon with (and also you wouldn't come across as a bit of a twat)

[Eric Cartman]

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Healthcare spending in 2022: £213bn
Healthcare spending in 2019 (last year of being in the EU): £152bn
Difference: increase of £61bn (increase of £20.3bn a year on average)
£20.3bn a year / 52 weeks = £390m a week.

Of course, they haven't just taken the cheque we gave the EU, crossed out EU and written NHS on it. It's far more complex than that, but the UK is now spending far more per week on the NHS than even the bus proclaimed we would before we left the EU.

This is a simple fact. You may not like the NHS receiving this money, you may feel that the leave campaign used the NHS, you may feel it should have had increases sooner, but it is a fact nonetheless. And it's good too.

https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/r..._a_e_g&inline=

A pinch of salt would probably be good considering the two years you use to prove your calculations were during a pandemic. I think an analytical mind like yours would reserve judgement on healthcare spending, but thank you for reminding me of my favourite quote:

'He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination'

[life on mars]

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Presumably, that 80 year old also remembers a time when she could afford to heat her entire house.

Lets hope all 80 year olds that are struggling can reach our to friends, family and neighbours, its interesting how the UK compares to our European neighbours when it comes to care , they don't all see the responsibility of every issue as the governments .

About time we heard for that alleged “bigoted woman” Gillian Duffy she must be in her 80's one of life hero's .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/apr/28/gordon-brown-bigoted-woman

Politicians hey ,wonder what they really think of us ??

[lardy]

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Lets hope all 80 year olds that are struggling can reach our to friends, family and neighbours, its interesting how the UK compares to our European neighbours when it comes to care , they don't all see the responsibility of every issue as the governments .

About time we heard for that alleged “bigoted woman” Gillian Duffy she must be in her 80's one of life hero's .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/apr/28/gordon-brown-bigoted-woman

Politicians hey ,wonder what they really think of us ??

Of all the people for LOM to bring up :hehe:

You can work out her current age from the article. Have a go and let us know the answer.

[JamesWales]

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You keep believing that climate change started in 2012 and I will keep believing that we should have acted sooner.

If you were half as good at scrutinising politicians as you are at scrutinising pensioners in fuel poverty, you would be a force to reckon with (and also you wouldn't come across as a bit of a twat)

Thanks for the kind words.

I don't believe that climate change began in 2012, but the source provided demonstrates the dramatic changes since 2012. If you cared as much about the environment as you did hating the government you would also recognise that as good news - and it's been done in conjunction with Scottish, N.Irish and Welsh governments too.

I'm not scrutinising the pensioner. I'm saying the story that you lot seem to think it's a damning endictment of the government sounds a bit fishy to me, given her costs rose at ten times the rate of the energy price cap.

[jon1959]

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Lets hope all 80 year olds that are struggling can reach our to friends, family and neighbours, its interesting how the UK compares to our European neighbours when it comes to care , they don't all see the responsibility of every issue as the governments .

So pensioners in poverty who are struggling (or failing) to pay for fuel and food should rely on help from friends, family and neighbours - not the state (the means by which society collectively supports its members in need)?

That is the essence of Toryism.

Small state, individualism, 'there is no such thing as society' and 'deserving poor' supported by the discretionary charity of the better off - leaving them constantly insecure and vulnerable.

No thanks!

[Dorcus]

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So pensioners in poverty who are struggling (or failing) to pay for fuel and food should rely on help from friends, family and neighbours - not the state (the means by which society collectively supports its members in need)?

That is the essence of Toryism.

Small state, individualism, 'there is no such thing as society' and 'deserving poor' supported by the discretionary charity of the better off - leaving them constantly insecure and vulnerable.

No thanks!

Toryism in a nutshell! Bang on and it stinks. I'm alright Jack, screw you!

[Dorcus]

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Johnson going all Chubby Brown: "Who the f**k is Alice?" That'll win him votes amongst the hoi polloi.

[JamesWales]

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Toryism in a nutshell! Bang on and it stinks. I'm alright Jack, screw you!

Sorry to facts get in the way of your and Jon1959's political prejudices, but pensioner poverty has significantly reduced under the Tories.

Again, don't argue with me, argue with those notorious Tory rotters at the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.

https://www.jrf.org.uk/data

Indeed, whilst poverty rates are fairly consistent across the board, it's generally recognised that older person poverty rates have improved in recent years with things like the triple lock pension.

[Dorcus]

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Sorry to facts get in the way of your and Jon1959's political prejudices, but pensioner poverty has significantly reduced under the Tories.

Again, don't argue with me, argue with those notorious Tory rotters at the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.

https://www.jrf.org.uk/data

Indeed, whilst poverty rates are fairly consistent across the board, it's generally recognised that older person poverty rates have improved in recent years with things like the triple lock pension.

Absolute Bo****ks

[JamesWales]

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Absolute Bo****ks

Do you listen to the classified football scores on a saturday evening and shout out the same if you don't like it?

Weird that you are upset to see poverty rates declining for older people.

[jon1959]

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Sorry to facts get in the way of your and Jon1959's political prejudices, but pensioner poverty has significantly reduced under the Tories.

Again, don't argue with me, argue with those notorious Tory rotters at the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.

https://www.jrf.org.uk/data

Indeed, whilst poverty rates are fairly consistent across the board, it's generally recognised that older person poverty rates have improved in recent years with things like the triple lock pension.

You are not getting in the way of anything.

You are, though, changing the subject - again. Is deflection your middle name?

Changing rates of pensioner poverty is an interesting subject.

It just isn't the one Dorcus and I were commenting on. That was LOM's Tory world view and opposition to collectivism or an active state - despite his constant denials!

Joseph Rowntree showing rates of pensioner poverty rising. What it doesn't show is the effect of 12 years of hollowed out public services that leave the growing poor (pensioners or otherwise) increasingly dependent on friends, family, neighbours or foodbanks where they are 'lucky' enough to have that.

https://www.jrf.org.uk/data/pensioner-poverty-rates

[JamesWales]

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You are not getting in the way of anything.

You are, though, changing the subject - again. Is deflection your middle name?

Changing rates of pensioner poverty is an interesting subject.

It just isn't the one Dorcus and I were commenting on. That was LOM's Tory world view and opposition to collectivism or an active state - despite his constant denials!

Joseph Rowntree showing rates of pensioner poverty rising. What it doesn't show is the effect of 12 years of hollowed out public services that leave the growing poor (pensioners or otherwise) increasingly dependent on friends, family, neighbours or foodbanks where they are 'lucky' enough to have that.

https://www.jrf.org.uk/data/pensioner-poverty-rates

It's not changing the subject. You and Dorcus turned it into a party political issue and the fact is that poverty rates under the current administration is lower than it was under the previous.

Of course, there are lies, damned lies and statistics, and depending on the time frame nearly every statistic can tell an opposite story.

Pensioner poverty is slightly rising for example - True
Pensioner povery is also consistently lower under the Conservatives than Labour - also true.

What isn't true, or helpful, is too purely suggest the answer lies in party politics, because plainly it doesnt. THAT is selling a lie to pensioners.