Chaos in Government

[bigjoe]

Re: Chaos in Government

Your last point is one of the great what ifs. The more I look back, I am pretty sure if Blair allowed the referendum in the late 90s, it would have been a resounding yes and today's political climate would have been much different.

Probably. At least Blair seemed to be pro EC and would have been clear that the Labour party management was all for staying in the EU. As it was, it was a perfect shitstorm of deceit, some people dithering, others believing that it wouldn't really happen and Brexiteer Corbyn not willing to provide any guideline.

[the other bob wilson]

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Your last point is one of the great what ifs. The more I look back, I am pretty sure if Blair allowed the referendum in the late 90s, it would have been a resounding yes and today's political climate would have been much different.

I’d agree with that.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Are you a Conservative Student at UWIC or something ?

Do you think everyone with money votes tory ?

No I was saying almost everyone that doesn't votes Labour, as it benefits them?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Of course you are a raving tory ��

Embarrassing now

Floating voter, lets see in 2 years!

[delmbox]

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Forty one years and vote again

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[chrisp_1927]

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I blame the greedy airlines for a lot of the delays, sacked everyone during covid and can’t get them to come back on worse terms. ****ing idiotic.

Where's the like button.

[chrisp_1927]

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I wonder if the best thing to do is to let him stay in post until his replacement, as he wants. Make perfectly clear to him that no big domestic changes will be allowed through by the party for the rest of his term. Let him spend his time on Ukraine, as he'd probably be happy to do so. Make sure he is well and truly sidelined in regards to domestic decision making

[cyril evans awaydays]

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[IanD]

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Brilliant! Can't see him getting the job of BBC political correspondent, unfortunately.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Thank you, thank you, thank you so much for posting this. You've made my day.

[the other bob wilson]

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https://twitter.com/bydonkeys/status/1544933256251842561?s=21&t=ZNY-xkAc5QrA4RJzHXtJKw

[Eric Cartman]

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Most vote tory because they say they'll lower taxes for higher earners and be carefull with the money, better for business and the economy.

Most vote Labour because they say they will tax the wealthy more, increase benefits and wages for the low paid and public industries and spend more on public services, but they can never say where the money is going to come from.

People voted New Labour because they said they would do most of both and because Tony was slick.

Once in they do what they can get away with!

They have had a fully costed manifesto for every election I can remember voting in. You can argue with the details but you can't say they don't provide their workings.

[Eric Cartman]

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Maybe just maybe for this one occasion the electorate prefer to vote for the party that has clarity over what they consider their most pressing issue.

Once Brexit is done and dusted, I'm pretty sure we'll see the red wall reappear.

Yeah I think that's probably true, turnout will probably tell a big part of the story.

I just don't really know what Brexit being done and dusted means in practice. We have reached the stage where nobody in favour will admit it was at best pointless and at worst a disaster, instead they tell you that the government have done Brexit badly and that they themselves would have done it really well, without telling you what that means (and which we also know wasn't really possible because expectations had been set too high by the leave side). I am not sure it will ever end.

[Feedback]

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They have had a fully costed manifesto for every election I can remember voting in. You can argue with the details but you can't say they don't provide their workings.

Bizarrely, every manifesto I've ever read (and this is for all parties) are missing the detail with respect to the numbers.

[Feedback]

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Yeah I think that's probably true, turnout will probably tell a big part of the story.

I just don't really know what Brexit being done and dusted means in practice. We have reached the stage where nobody in favour will admit it was at best pointless and at worst a disaster, instead they tell you that the government have done Brexit badly and that they themselves would have done it really well, without telling you what that means (and which we also know wasn't really possible because expectations had been set too high by the leave side). I am not sure it will ever end.

Brexit is one of those things that allows its supporters to say the dividend is on its way. Its nonsense of course, it was a silly thing to do from day 1.